Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-30 Thread Grant Taylor
On 11/30/21 1:56 PM, Laurence Perkins wrote: So the old inconsistency was a super-bad kind of inconsistency. The interfaces got named based on the order in which the devices were discovered. Which, on a lot of systems, meant that every boot was essentially rolling the dice on a race

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 3:56 PM Laurence Perkins wrote: > > If you only have one interface though and tweak your hardware regularly then > you'll probably be happier to put it back to the old naming scheme because > with only one device it should always be eth0. > I'm not sure if other network

RE: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-30 Thread Laurence Perkins
it should always be eth0. LMP -Original Message- From: Grant Taylor Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 12:34 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster. On 11/30/21 12:58 PM, Dale wrote: > What I noticed in dmesg is that it takes the

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-30 Thread Grant Taylor
On 11/30/21 12:58 PM, Dale wrote: What I noticed in dmesg is that it takes the old name, eth0 for example, and then renames it to the new name. I don't know if it's the /kernel/ that does the renaming, or not based on the kernel parameter, or if it's something else very early in the boot

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-30 Thread Dale
Grant Taylor wrote: > On 11/28/21 9:50 AM, Jack wrote: >> The network name switch ... is not directly due to eudev vs. udev, >> but to the "new" ... switch to consistent naming ... so your network >> is probably something like enp20s2, reflecting which slot your >> network card is physically in. >

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-30 Thread Grant Taylor
On 11/28/21 9:50 AM, Jack wrote: The network name switch ... is not directly due to eudev vs. udev, but to the "new" ... switch to consistent naming ... so your network is probably something like enp20s2, reflecting which slot your network card is physically in. Except I've had multiple

RE: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-30 Thread Laurence Perkins
>> -Original Message- >> From: tastytea >> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 9:00 PM >> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org >> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster. >> >> On 2021-11-29 22:47-0600 Dale wrote: >

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-29 Thread tastytea
On 2021-11-29 23:19-0600 Dale wrote: > Matt Connell wrote: > > On Mon, 2021-11-29 at 22:47 -0600, Dale wrote: > >> Now if I can figure out how to reset the list of /dev/sd* names > >> that are lurking about and inconsistent, that would be like > >> striking gold.  Every time I hook up my

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-29 Thread Wols Lists
On 30/11/2021 04:47, Dale wrote: Now if I can figure out how to reset the list of /dev/sd* names that are lurking about and inconsistent, that would be like striking gold.  Every time I hook up my external drive, it gets a different sd* name.  It does the same on the SD cards from my trail

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-29 Thread Dale
Matt Connell wrote: > On Mon, 2021-11-29 at 22:47 -0600, Dale wrote: >> Now if I can figure out how to reset the list of /dev/sd* names that >> are lurking about and inconsistent, that would be like striking >> gold.  Every time I hook up my external drive, it gets a different >> sd* name.  It

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-29 Thread Matt Connell
On Mon, 2021-11-29 at 22:47 -0600, Dale wrote: > Now if I can figure out how to reset the list of /dev/sd* names that > are lurking about and inconsistent, that would be like striking > gold.  Every time I hook up my external drive, it gets a different > sd* name.  It does the same on the SD cards

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-29 Thread tastytea
On 2021-11-29 22:47-0600 Dale wrote: > Now if I can figure out how to reset the list of /dev/sd* names that > are lurking about and inconsistent, that would be like striking gold. > Every time I hook up my external drive, it gets a different sd* > name.  It does the same on the SD cards from my

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-29 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 11:02:17 -0600, Dale wrote: > >> I'm not completely opposed to switching to the new name method.  Your >> info about it being in dmesg is helpful.  Now I know where that name is >> exactly.  ;-)  Do I just rename my current net.eth* files to the new way

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-28 Thread tastytea
On 2021-11-28 11:50-0500 Jack wrote: > This switch is NOT bringing in systemd.  It is just switching which > package is now providing udev as extracted from systemd. The news > item actually gives a bit more detail. > > The network name switch (which I had thought was mentioned in the new >

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 11:02:17 -0600, Dale wrote: > I'm not completely opposed to switching to the new name method.  Your > info about it being in dmesg is helpful.  Now I know where that name is > exactly.  ;-)  Do I just rename my current net.eth* files to the new way > and it works or do I need

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-28 Thread Dale
Jack wrote: > > I'd suggest checking the wiki for network setup, but it's still down, > and (of course) I can't currently find the URL for the status page.  > General searching for "consistent network naming" or "persistent > network naming" is also likely to find some helpful pages (among the >

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-28 Thread Jack
I'd suggest checking the wiki for network setup, but it's still down, and (of course) I can't currently find the URL for the status page.  General searching for "consistent network naming" or "persistent network naming" is also likely to find some helpful pages (among the not so helpful...)

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-28 Thread Dale
Jack wrote: > This switch is NOT bringing in systemd.  It is just switching which > package is now providing udev as extracted from systemd. The news item > actually gives a bit more detail. > > The network name switch (which I had thought was mentioned in the new > item, but apparently is not, so

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-28 Thread Jack
This switch is NOT bringing in systemd.  It is just switching which package is now providing udev as extracted from systemd. The news item actually gives a bit more detail. The network name switch (which I had thought was mentioned in the new item, but apparently is not, so I don't remember

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-28 Thread Dale
Alexandru N. Barloiu wrote: > On Sun, 2021-11-28 at 10:35 -0600, Dale wrote: > > > > Boot with udev and do either ifconfig -a or ip addr show and look for > them. If they are not there, just load the modules e1000e or the other > one r8whatever it was. Should autoload, but who knows why they are

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-28 Thread Alexandru N. Barloiu
On Sun, 2021-11-28 at 10:35 -0600, Dale wrote: Boot with udev and do either ifconfig -a or ip addr show and look for them. If they are not there, just load the modules e1000e or the other one r8whatever it was. Should autoload, but who knows why they are not. Use dmesg. Not that hard to debug.

[gentoo-user] Switching from eudev to udev, disaster.

2021-11-28 Thread Dale
Howdy all, First, if anyone is planning to switch a remote machine, you may want to delay that.  As some, most, know eudev is being removed.  I can't say how much I dislike that but it seems to be happening despite some are saying it is still being maintained upstream.  During my weekly update