Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:11:07 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: It does, I have a system that boots 2.6.20 using an initrd. It works fine and I don't feel inclined to get involved in initramfs voodoo just to change an already working system What is that voodoo you're talking about. I did

Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:50:22 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: But you are mostly right, around here in Gentoo-land it's become almost a guerilla rite of passage to be able to drop genkernel and roll your own (raid users excepted of course) Why? RAID support is as simple as selecting a couple of

Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-22 Thread pat
Thanks to all. Now it cleaner to me :-) Only (probably) last question: If I want to play with the Xen I can compile SATA support directly to kernel and it will be still OK ??? Once again thanks a lot. Pat On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:08:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote On Thursday 22 February

Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-22 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 18:41, pat wrote: P.S. Question is what should be part of the initramfs :-| Any modules or userland utilities needed to mount your '/' filesystem, plus all the libraries and other utilities they depend on, plus a linuxrc or init script that will actually do the

Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-22 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 18:39, pat wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:13:56 +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote initrd/initramfs is mostly for distributions who want to compile everything as module, people with strange settings (like some kind of raid), or people too stupid to build their

Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-22 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Thursday 22 February 2007 01:58, Alan McKinnon wrote: Or you could dp it the way Boyd does it - with his / on an lvm group. To do that he needs an initramfs which has drivers for at least his disk bus, his disk adapter, the filesystem on / and lvm before his kernel can access /. Genkernel

Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-22 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Thursday 22 February 2007 01:45, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 22 February 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Wednesday 21 February 2007, pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???': First, I think the OP is confused between ramfs

Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-22 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Donnerstag, 22. Februar 2007 schrieb ext Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.: For the life of me, I always found it easier to get an initrd working rather than an initramfs -- the whole chroot/exec vs. pivot_root vs. switch_root step always failed for me when using an initramfs (and the very same

Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 22 February 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: For the life of me, I always found it easier to get an initrd working rather than an initramfs [snip] At least, that's been my experience, others may have found the process easier. No you are not alone. I eventually found proof

Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-22 Thread pat
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 04:10:59 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote On Thursday 22 February 2007, pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???': Only (probably) last question: If I want to play with the Xen I can compile SATA support directly to kernel

Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 04:08:23 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: I am fairly certain I was still using my custom initrd (not an initramfs) until 2.6.17 -- I'm fairly sure 2.6.20 still *supports* initrd format, even if initramfs is preferred now. It does, I have a system that boots 2.6.20

Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-22 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Donnerstag, 22. Februar 2007 schrieb ext Neil Bothwick: On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 04:08:23 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: I am fairly certain I was still using my custom initrd (not an initramfs) until 2.6.17 -- I'm fairly sure 2.6.20 still *supports* initrd format, even if initramfs is

[gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-21 Thread pat
Hi, I have question about ramfs and if it is necessary. I have notebook with SATA drive. I generate kernel with genkernel and it generates initramfs file too. My question is if this is realy necessary and if not, what I have to do. And if it is necessary where I can find good documentation

Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-21 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???': And if it is necessary where I can find good documentation (samples, explanation, etc.). Pretty much all of the documenation on early userspace is in the kernel tree. You might even

Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-21 Thread pat
, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote On Wednesday 21 February 2007, pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???': And if it is necessary where I can find good documentation (samples, explanation, etc.). Pretty much all of the documenation on early userspace

Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-21 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Mittwoch, 21. Februar 2007, pat wrote: Hi, I have question about ramfs and if it is necessary. I have notebook with SATA drive. I generate kernel with genkernel and it generates initramfs file too. My question is if this is realy necessary and if not, what I have to do. And if it is

Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-21 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???': OK, so I have to search for ramfs. What tool is used to create initramsf file for boot or how to compile it into kernel and how to use it with grub ??? Each distro has their own

Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-21 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???': On Mittwoch, 21. Februar 2007, pat wrote: My question is if this is realy necessary and if not, what I have to do. And if it is necessary where I can find good

Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-21 Thread pat
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:13:56 +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote On Mittwoch, 21. Februar 2007, pat wrote: Hi, I have question about ramfs and if it is necessary. I have notebook with SATA drive. I generate kernel with genkernel and it generates initramfs file too. My question is if this

Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-21 Thread pat
OK, thanks. Pat P.S. Question is what should be part of the initramfs :-| On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:25:36 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote On Wednesday 21 February 2007, pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???': OK, so I have to search

Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-21 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Donnerstag, 22. Februar 2007, pat wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:13:56 +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote On Mittwoch, 21. Februar 2007, pat wrote: Hi, I have question about ramfs and if it is necessary. I have notebook with SATA drive. I generate kernel with genkernel and it

Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 22 February 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Wednesday 21 February 2007, pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???': First, I think the OP is confused between ramfs and initramfs.Not quite the same thing... But the thread has become

Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???

2007-02-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 22 February 2007, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: initrd/initramfs is mostly for distributions who want to compile everything as module, people with strange settings (like some kind of raid), or people too stupid to build their own kernel. If you build your kernel and build everything