On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 11:08 AM, lee wrote:
> Rich Freeman writes:
>>
>> Who is forcing anybody to use anything?
>
> Look around and you will find that systemd has taken over Linux, with a
> few exceptions as in distributions like Gentoo. The taking over will
> probably continue until you cannot
On Saturday 09 May 2015 17:01:00 lee wrote:
> Tom H writes:
> > The systemd developers' use of disable/mask isn't wrong simply because
> > you disagree with them.
>
> No, it's wrong because they don't know what "disabled" means. Feel free
> to look into dictionaries and to examine the use of the
Rich Freeman writes:
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 2:14 AM, lee wrote:
>> Marc Joliet writes:
>>
>>> Personally, I'm probably going to uninstall syslog-ng, because journalctl is
>>> *such* a nice way to read logs, so why run something whose output I'll never
>>> read again?
>>
>> If you like it, nob
Tom H writes:
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 1:57 AM, lee wrote:
>> Canek Peláez Valdés writes:
>>> On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 6:41 PM, lee wrote:
I can't even read them on a working system.
>>>
>>> If that's true (which I highly doubt, more probably you don't know how to
>>> read them), then
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 1:57 AM, lee wrote:
> Canek Peláez Valdés writes:
>> On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 6:41 PM, lee wrote:
>>>
>>> I can't even read them on a working system.
>>
>> If that's true (which I highly doubt, more probably you don't know how to
>> read them), then it's a bug and should be
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 2:14 AM, lee wrote:
> Marc Joliet writes:
>
>> Personally, I'm probably going to uninstall syslog-ng, because journalctl is
>> *such* a nice way to read logs, so why run something whose output I'll never
>> read again?
>
> If you like it, nobody prevents you from using it.
Marc Joliet writes:
>> Can you do all that with the binary files created by systemd? I can't
>> even read them on a working system.
>
> What Canek and Rich already said is good, but I'll just add this: it's not
> like
> you can't run a classic syslog implementation alongside the systemd journal
Canek Peláez Valdés writes:
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 6:41 PM, lee wrote:
>>
>> Neil Bothwick writes:
>>
>> > On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:49:54 +0100, lee wrote:
>> >
>> >> > I wonder if the OP is using systemd and trying to read the journal
>> >> > files?
>> >>
>> >> Nooo, I hate systemd ...
>> >>
Rich Freeman writes:
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 6:41 PM, lee wrote:
>>
>> To me it is one of the good reasons, and an important one. Plain text
>> can usually always be read without further ado, be it from rescue
>> systems you booted or with software available on different operating
>> systems.
On Sun, 22 February 2015, at 11:48 pm, lee wrote:
>
I believe this may be bug 406623.
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=406623
>>>
>>> That's almost three years old and should apparently be fixed?
>>
>> It's only been closed in the last few weeks.
>
> Still I wonder why
> On Feb 24, 2015, at 2:50, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>
> Thank Goodness! Someone who knows enough to trim out the bits of the
> message he's not replying to.
>
> Why do you others make me page-down eight times to find what you've
> written in reply to the last three lines of the preceding message
Am Tue, 24 Feb 2015 00:50:30 +
schrieb Peter Humphrey :
> On Monday 23 February 2015 23:29:49 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 18:18:36 -0500, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
> > > I did change the unit file, but no joy, I still get messages like
> > > this: Feb 23 18:16:05 ccs.covici
On Monday 23 February 2015 23:29:49 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 18:18:36 -0500, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
> > I did change the unit file, but no joy, I still get messages like
> > this: Feb 23 18:16:05 ccs.covici.com systemd-journal[715]:
> > Forwarding to syslog missed 13 message
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 18:18:36 -0500, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
> I did change the unit file, but no joy, I still get messages like this:
> Feb 23 18:16:05 ccs.covici.com systemd-journal[715]: Forwarding to
> syslog missed 13 messages.
I used to get messages like that. Sometimes substantial numb
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:31 PM, wrote:
> >
> > Marc Joliet wrote:
> >
> > > Am Mon, 23 Feb 2015 12:10:18 -0600
> > > schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés :
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:49 AM, wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> > > > >
> >
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:31 PM, wrote:
> >
> > Marc Joliet wrote:
> >
> > > Am Mon, 23 Feb 2015 12:10:18 -0600
> > > schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés :
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:49 AM, wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> > > > >
> >
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:31 PM, wrote:
>
> Marc Joliet wrote:
>
> > Am Mon, 23 Feb 2015 12:10:18 -0600
> > schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés :
> >
> > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:49 AM, wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:41 AM, wrote:
> >
Marc Joliet wrote:
> Am Mon, 23 Feb 2015 12:10:18 -0600
> schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés :
>
> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:49 AM, wrote:
> > >
> > > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:41 AM, wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Marc Joliet wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Am
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:49 AM, wrote:
> >
> > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:41 AM, wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Marc Joliet wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Am Mon, 23 Feb 2015 00:41:50 +0100
> > > > > schrieb lee :
> > > > >
> > > > > > Neil
Am Mon, 23 Feb 2015 12:10:18 -0600
schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés :
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:49 AM, wrote:
> >
> > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:41 AM, wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Marc Joliet wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Am Mon, 23 Feb 2015 00:41:50 +0100
> > > > > sch
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:49 AM, wrote:
>
> Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:41 AM, wrote:
> > >
> > > Marc Joliet wrote:
> > >
> > > > Am Mon, 23 Feb 2015 00:41:50 +0100
> > > > schrieb lee :
> > > >
> > > > > Neil Bothwick writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 18 F
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:41 AM, wrote:
> >
> > Marc Joliet wrote:
> >
> > > Am Mon, 23 Feb 2015 00:41:50 +0100
> > > schrieb lee :
> > >
> > > > Neil Bothwick writes:
> > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:49:54 +0100, lee wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> > I wonder
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:41 AM, wrote:
>
> Marc Joliet wrote:
>
> > Am Mon, 23 Feb 2015 00:41:50 +0100
> > schrieb lee :
> >
> > > Neil Bothwick writes:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:49:54 +0100, lee wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> > I wonder if the OP is using systemd and trying to read the
jou
On Sunday 22 February 2015 22:28:07 Dale wrote:
> Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Sunday 22 February 2015 20:57:43 Dale wrote:
> >> I think you need this:
> >>
> >> app-admin/logrotate
> >>
> >> Then I think a cron package is needed to run that, set to daily
> >> here I think.
> >
> > It comes with
Marc Joliet wrote:
> Am Mon, 23 Feb 2015 00:41:50 +0100
> schrieb lee :
>
> > Neil Bothwick writes:
> >
> > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:49:54 +0100, lee wrote:
> > >
> > >> > I wonder if the OP is using systemd and trying to read the journal
> > >> > files?
> > >>
> > >> Nooo, I hate systemd .
Am Mon, 23 Feb 2015 00:41:50 +0100
schrieb lee :
> Neil Bothwick writes:
>
> > On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:49:54 +0100, lee wrote:
> >
> >> > I wonder if the OP is using systemd and trying to read the journal
> >> > files?
> >>
> >> Nooo, I hate systemd ...
> >>
> >> What good are log files you c
Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Sunday 22 February 2015 20:57:43 Dale wrote:
>> I think you need this:
>>
>> app-admin/logrotate
>>
>> Then I think a cron package is needed to run that, set to daily here I
>> think.
> It comes with logrotate:
>
> /etc/cron.daily/logrotate
>
The script does but if you d
On Sunday 22 February 2015 20:57:43 Dale wrote:
> I think you need this:
>
> app-admin/logrotate
>
> Then I think a cron package is needed to run that, set to daily here I
> think.
It comes with logrotate:
/etc/cron.daily/logrotate
--
Rgds
Peter.
lee wrote:
> IIUC, syslog-ng handles rotating the logs. Do I need to do something
> to make it rotate them?
I think you need this:
app-admin/logrotate
Then I think a cron package is needed to run that, set to daily here I
think.
Hope that helps.
Dale
:-) :-)
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 6:41 PM, lee wrote:
>
> To me it is one of the good reasons, and an important one. Plain text
> can usually always be read without further ado, be it from rescue
> systems you booted or with software available on different operating
> systems. It can be also be processed
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 6:48 PM, lee wrote:
>
> Stroller writes:
>
> > On Wed, 18 February 2015, at 8:40 pm, lee wrote:
>
> The log file seem to be some sort of binary that doesn't display too
> well in less, and there doesn't seem to be any way to read them.
> >>>
> >>> I believe
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 6:41 PM, lee wrote:
>
> Neil Bothwick writes:
>
> > On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:49:54 +0100, lee wrote:
> >
> >> > I wonder if the OP is using systemd and trying to read the journal
> >> > files?
> >>
> >> Nooo, I hate systemd ...
> >>
> >> What good are log files you can't rea
"Jan Sever" writes:
> On 02/19/2015 08:02 PM, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 7:26:05 PM lee wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> how do you read the log files when using syslog-ng?
>>>
>>> The log file seem to be some sort of binary that doesn't display too
>>> well in less, and the
Neil Bothwick writes:
> On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:49:54 +0100, lee wrote:
>
>> > I wonder if the OP is using systemd and trying to read the journal
>> > files?
>>
>> Nooo, I hate systemd ...
>>
>> What good are log files you can't read?
>
> You can't read syslog-ng log files without some reading
Stroller writes:
> On Wed, 18 February 2015, at 8:40 pm, lee wrote:
The log file seem to be some sort of binary that doesn't display too
well in less, and there doesn't seem to be any way to read them.
>>>
>>> I believe this may be bug 406623.
>>>
>>> https://bugs.gentoo.org/sh
On 02/19/2015 08:02 PM, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 7:26:05 PM lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> how do you read the log files when using syslog-ng?
>>
>> The log file seem to be some sort of binary that doesn't display too
>> well in less, and there doesn't seem to be any way t
On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 7:26:05 PM lee wrote:
> Hi,
>
> how do you read the log files when using syslog-ng?
>
> The log file seem to be some sort of binary that doesn't display too
> well in less, and there doesn't seem to be any way to read them.
>
>
>
You can just pipe the output of s
On Wed, Feb 18 2015, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 12:22 PM, wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 17 2015, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:29 PM, wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I wonder if the OP is using systemd and trying to read the journal
>> >> files?
>> >
>> > T
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:49:54 +0100, lee wrote:
> > I wonder if the OP is using systemd and trying to read the journal
> > files?
>
> Nooo, I hate systemd ...
>
> What good are log files you can't read?
You can't read syslog-ng log files without some reading software, usually
a combination of
On Wed, 18 February 2015, at 8:40 pm, lee wrote:
>>>
>>> The log file seem to be some sort of binary that doesn't display too
>>> well in less, and there doesn't seem to be any way to read them.
>>
>> I believe this may be bug 406623.
>>
>> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=406623
>
> T
Stroller writes:
> On Tue, 17 February 2015, at 6:26 pm, lee wrote:
>>
>> The log file seem to be some sort of binary that doesn't display too
>> well in less, and there doesn't seem to be any way to read them.
>
> I believe this may be bug 406623.
>
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40
cov...@ccs.covici.com writes:
> Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:26 PM, lee wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > how do you read the log files when using syslog-ng?
>> >
>> > The log file seem to be some sort of binary that doesn't display too
>> > well in less, and there doesn't
Am Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:31:26 +0100
schrieb Marc Joliet :
> Am Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:45:38 -0600
> schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés :
>
> > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:29 PM, wrote:
> > >
> > > Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:26 PM, lee wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > >
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 12:22 PM, wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 17 2015, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:29 PM, wrote:
> >>
> >> I wonder if the OP is using systemd and trying to read the journal
> >> files?
> >
> > Those live under /var/lib/journal (which you need to create;
On Tue, Feb 17 2015, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:29 PM, wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if the OP is using systemd and trying to read the journal
>> files?
>
> Those live under /var/lib/journal (which you need to create; Gentoo doesn't
> do it by default last time I saw),
Wow!
On Tue, 17 February 2015, at 6:26 pm, lee wrote:
>
> The log file seem to be some sort of binary that doesn't display too
> well in less, and there doesn't seem to be any way to read them.
I believe this may be bug 406623.
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=406623
Note comment #2 - the "
On Wednesday 18 February 2015 07:38:46 Mick wrote:
> On Tuesday 17 Feb 2015 23:13:08 Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > Actually, this is what I did, as I reported here on 26/12:
> > > 1.Boot rescue system and mount main system
> > > 2.# cd /mnt/main/var/log
> > > 3.# mv messages messages.bin
>
On Tuesday 17 Feb 2015 23:13:08 Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Tuesday 17 February 2015 22:51:55 Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Tuesday 17 February 2015 20:41:06 Matti Nykyri wrote:
> > > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 20:26, lee wrote:
> > > > how do you read the log files when using syslog-ng?
> > > > The log
On Tuesday 17 February 2015 18:52:07 Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Peter Humphrey
wrote:
> > Yes, that was me. I found that something had marked
> > /var/log/messages as a binary file. There's nothing in it that
> > can't be read, no mysterious characters or anything; it'
On Wednesday 18 February 2015 00:23:19 Jan Sever wrote:
> On 02/18/2015 12:13 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Tuesday 17 February 2015 22:51:55 Peter Humphrey wrote:
> >> On Tuesday 17 February 2015 20:41:06 Matti Nykyri wrote:
> On Feb 17, 2015, at 20:26, lee wrote:
> how do you read t
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>
> Yes, that was me. I found that something had marked /var/log/messages as
> a binary file. There's nothing in it that can't be read, no mysterious
> characters or anything; it's just marked as binary. All you have to do
> is to move it, the
On 02/18/2015 12:13 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Tuesday 17 February 2015 22:51:55 Peter Humphrey wrote:
>> On Tuesday 17 February 2015 20:41:06 Matti Nykyri wrote:
On Feb 17, 2015, at 20:26, lee wrote:
how do you read the log files when using syslog-ng?
The log file seem to be so
On Tuesday 17 February 2015 22:51:55 Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Tuesday 17 February 2015 20:41:06 Matti Nykyri wrote:
> > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 20:26, lee wrote:
> > > how do you read the log files when using syslog-ng?
> > > The log file seem to be some sort of binary that doesn't display
> > > t
On Tuesday 17 February 2015 20:41:06 Matti Nykyri wrote:
> > On Feb 17, 2015, at 20:26, lee wrote:
> > how do you read the log files when using syslog-ng?
> > The log file seem to be some sort of binary that doesn't display too
> > well in less, and there doesn't seem to be any way to read them.
>
Am Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:45:38 -0600
schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés :
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:29 PM, wrote:
> >
> > Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:26 PM, lee wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > how do you read the log files when using syslog-ng?
> > > >
> > > >
On Tuesday 17 Feb 2015 19:17:20 lee wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie writes:
> > Hello, Lee.
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 07:26:05PM +0100, lee wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> how do you read the log files when using syslog-ng?
> >>
> >> The log file seem to be some sort of binary that doesn't display too
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:29 PM, wrote:
>
> Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:26 PM, lee wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > how do you read the log files when using syslog-ng?
> > >
> > > The log file seem to be some sort of binary that doesn't display too
> > > well in less
Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:26 PM, lee wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > how do you read the log files when using syslog-ng?
> >
> > The log file seem to be some sort of binary that doesn't display too
> > well in less, and there doesn't seem to be any way to read them.
> >
> >
Alan Mackenzie writes:
> Hello, Lee.
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 07:26:05PM +0100, lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>
>> how do you read the log files when using syslog-ng?
>
>> The log file seem to be some sort of binary that doesn't display too
>> well in less, and there doesn't seem to be any way to read the
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Alexander Kapshuk <
alexander.kaps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:26 PM, lee wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> how do you read the log files when using syslog-ng?
>>
>> The log file seem to be some sort of binary that doesn't display too
>> well in less, and
Hello, Lee.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 07:26:05PM +0100, lee wrote:
> Hi,
> how do you read the log files when using syslog-ng?
> The log file seem to be some sort of binary that doesn't display too
> well in less, and there doesn't seem to be any way to read them.
When I try "less /var/log/messag
> On Feb 17, 2015, at 20:26, lee wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> how do you read the log files when using syslog-ng?
>
> The log file seem to be some sort of binary that doesn't display too
> well in less, and there doesn't seem to be any way to read them.
This was discussed earlier on this list... Actuall
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:26 PM, lee wrote:
> Hi,
>
> how do you read the log files when using syslog-ng?
>
> The log file seem to be some sort of binary that doesn't display too
> well in less, and there doesn't seem to be any way to read them.
>
>
> --
> Again we must be afraid of speaking of d
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:26 PM, lee wrote:
> Hi,
>
> how do you read the log files when using syslog-ng?
>
> The log file seem to be some sort of binary that doesn't display too
> well in less, and there doesn't seem to be any way to read them.
That's news to me. Are you sure you're not looking
Hi,
how do you read the log files when using syslog-ng?
The log file seem to be some sort of binary that doesn't display too
well in less, and there doesn't seem to be any way to read them.
--
Again we must be afraid of speaking of daemons for fear that daemons
might swallow us. Finally, this
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