RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Wayne Oliver
I find the coloured output useful, as for me it adds readability. If you don't like the defaults edit them to no colour or something "more sane" for you. I agree with Alexander I predict a riot if the colour were removed by default. Cheers Wayn0 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread felix
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 02:26:47PM +, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2007-04-04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why do --nocolor and --color=n not work (sys-apps/portage-2.1.2.3)? > > > > Why does the damned thing default to thinking I want blaring bizarre > > colors scattered all

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Neil Walker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > At least ls's color comes from that damned alias. You can at least > use "/bin/ls" or prefix each command with "TERM=vt100" to get rid of > them temporarily, or "unalias -a" to get rid of them permanently per > login, or edit /etc/profile to get rid of them permanently f

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread felix
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 05:56:07PM +, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2007-04-04, Neil Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> At least ls's color comes from that damned alias. You can at least > >> use "/bin/ls" or prefix each command with "TERM=vt100" to get rid of > >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:55:20 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > Except "forever" only lasts until the next emerge replaces > /etc/profile. Emerge never replaces files in /etc unless you use dangerous, non-standard settings. -- Neil Bothwick Windows isn't a virus -- viruses do something! sig

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread Neil Walker
Grant Edwards wrote: > My point is that why should you have to edit something before > you can get legible output from something as basic as "ls". > Why not default to a _useful_ condition? > It's VERY legible on all of the systems I administer - but, then, I use the text-based console, not som

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread b.n.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 02:26:47PM +, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2007-04-04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why do --nocolor and --color=n not work (sys-apps/portage-2.1.2.3)? Why does the damned thing default to thinking I want blaring bizarre colo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-04 Thread felix
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 07:19:39PM +, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2007-04-04, Neil Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Grant Edwards wrote: > >> My point is that why should you have to edit something before > >> you can get legible output from something as basic as "ls". > >> Why not default to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:24:02 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > > But, it does! The colors are very useful! > > Only on certain terminals. They're quite unreadable on a white > background (which has always been the default for xterm and > it's descendants, right?). Those particular colours ar

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-05 Thread Ryan Curtin
On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 02:45:15PM +, Grant Edwards wrote: > My point was why default to something that isn't useful for the > standard terminal emulators like xterm, aterm, rxvt, etc. Are > there common terminal emulators that default to a black > background? aterm on default settings has a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:45:15 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > > Those particular colours are less useful, because they are designed > > for a black background, > > But the default background on terminals under X has always been > white (at least as long as I remember). Are there really a lot

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-05 Thread Tony Stohne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Grant Edwards said the following on 2007-04-05 16:45: | ... | My point was why default to something that isn't useful for the | standard terminal emulators like xterm, aterm, rxvt, etc. Are | there common terminal emulators that default to a black |

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
Hello Grant Edwards, > > Until recently, it was all Gentoo users, since the installation was > > done from a virtual console. > > Nah. I almost always do 90% of the install from an aterm (with > a white bacground). Only if you're installing via SSH, otherwise 90% of the install was done befor

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-05 Thread Tony Stohne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Grant Edwards said the following on 2007-04-05 19:51: |> Grant Edwards said the following on 2007-04-05 16:45: |> | ... | That will change the colors that are used by 'ls' without | breaking other programs that use color? | The colors of any other pr

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-05 Thread Tony Stohne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tony Stohne said the following on 2007-04-05 20:26: ... | I think there is a third alternative to rgb.txt and ~/.Xdefaults. | bash DIRCOLORS is an option and it will affect ls. | For clarification - dircolors ar not dependent of bash. It is supported

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-05 Thread Tony Stohne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Francesco Talamona said the following on 2007-04-05 20:33: | | Me too!! | I was in love with rxvt... So I switched to (urxvt) | x11-terms/rxvt-unicode, it is basically the same but fully functional. | Yes, urxvt is my choice too :) Amen to that! //Ci

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-05 Thread b.n.
Neil Bothwick ha scritto: Hello Grant Edwards, Until recently, it was all Gentoo users, since the installation was done from a virtual console. Nah. I almost always do 90% of the install from an aterm (with a white bacground). Only if you're installing via SSH, otherwise 90% of the instal

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:52:28 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > > Only if you're installing via SSH, > > Which is how I do all my installs. Even the first? > > A VC is always available, an xterm is usually available, so it makes > > sense to base defaults on a VC. > > I would pick a defaul

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:41:12 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > Thay's why using colors by default can be a problem. Except you edit make.conf before you emerge anything and guess where you turn off the colours :) -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 20: Synthetic natural gas signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-06 Thread Mick
On Thursday 05 April 2007 19:36, Tony Stohne wrote: > Tony Stohne said the following on 2007-04-05 20:26: > ... > > | I think there is a third alternative to rgb.txt and ~/.Xdefaults. > | bash DIRCOLORS is an option and it will affect ls. > > For clarification - dircolors ar not dependent of bash.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-06 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 22:36, b.n. wrote: > *slap on the forehead* Oh my god, now I understand it all. You are using > a WHITE xterm background. > > The Gentoo colours make complete sense on a BLACK background. I do agree > that they are insane on a white or otherwise light background. > > I w

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-06 Thread Tony Stohne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mick said the following on 2007-04-06 18:18: | | It seems to print out the contents of /etc/DIR_COLORS. It does, ie it shows the DIR_COLORS config. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQFGFpM3JDzv6DN+QUkRAuj4AKCHJ15LzZqq

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-07 Thread Dan Farrell
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:24:02 + (UTC) Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2007-04-05, Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Why not default to a _useful_ condition? > > > > But, it does! The colors are very useful! > > Only on

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-07 Thread Mike Markowski
Dan Farrell wrote: > > ...White > terminal backgrounds, aside from the invisible color problem, also are > hella ugly. When I look between reading printed papers or journals and the computer screen I like windows with white background (actually a little off-white) & black text. That way I can

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
Hello Dan Farrell, > Why this is the case, I don't think I'll ever understand. White > terminal backgrounds, aside from the invisible color problem, also are > hella ugly. Many people find black on white far easier to read than white on black, for the same fonts and sizes. -- Neil Bothwick

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?

2007-04-08 Thread Mike Edenfield
Neil Bothwick wrote: Hello Dan Farrell, Why this is the case, I don't think I'll ever understand. White terminal backgrounds, aside from the invisible color problem, also are hella ugly. Many people find black on white far easier to read than white on black, for the same fonts and sizes.