On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, rabnud wrote:
> The thread is rambling around and generally running away from my initial
> idea.
To comment on your proposals: You desire a single, integrated
documentation system for "Linux". While a valiant goal, it faces two major
obstacles.
The first is that someone
*sigh*
I have been resisting commenting on this thread, but I can hold back no
longer...
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, rabnud wrote:
> The Frustrated Newbies idea. And closure, if you wish.
A corollary to Niven's Third Law for Writers: Messages to end all
discussion on a given subject don't. :-)
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At some point hitherto, Benjamin Scott hath spake thusly:
> > ... for a wild flamewar I started about root passwords.
>
> Hah! I think the longest flamewar in GNHLUG history was on that very
> subject. (With the possible exception of the "GNU/Lin
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Paul Lussier wrote:
> Which is why "Security" is really the art of keeping honest people honest,
> and making dishonest people work long and hard enough for you to catch
> them and prevent too much damage :)
Yup. I've said it before in this forum, I think: In the home and
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Paul Iadonisi wrote:
>> Or do you encase all your workstations in
>> safes under the floor like Paul Iadonisi does? ;-)
>
> Zing! I guess I had that coming.
Heh. Don't get me wrong, I was more trying to give credit where it is due
than imply you were being unreasonable.
Thanks Bruce.
J.
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Bruce Dawson wrote:
> In your /etc/sendmail.cf file add "goaway" or "noexpn,novrfy" to
>
> O PrivacyOptions=...
>
> --Bruce
>
> Derek D. Martin wrote:
>
> > Joshua S. Freeman said:
> >
> >
> >>Speaking of which, is there a how-to somewhere that instru
In your /etc/sendmail.cf file add "goaway" or "noexpn,novrfy" to
O PrivacyOptions=...
--Bruce
Derek D. Martin wrote:
> Joshua S. Freeman said:
>
>
>>Speaking of which, is there a how-to somewhere that instructs one how to
>>harden sendmail by disabling VRFY and EXPN ?
>>
>>J.
>>
>
> Yes.
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Tom Rauschenbach wrote:
> It refuses to look at my ZIP disk saying " not a raw scsi device". The
> device is the second device on my second IDE chain (I've got hdc=ide-scsi
> so my CD burner works, in my lilo.conf). The zip drive works fine.
> Should I add hdd=ide-scsi to l
I downloaded the source for ziptool and compiled it. Fine.
It refuses to look at my ZIP disk saying " not a raw scsi device".
The device is the second device on my second IDE chain (I've got
hdc=ide-scsi so my CD burner works, in my lilo.conf). The zip drive works
fine. Should I add hdd=ide
*** On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 at 1:34pm RABNUD shared this with the class::
> and he watches the gears spin. Psst: (whisper) they just learned
> something and quietly gained confidence in the cli aspect of Linux
> .
I don't know you from a hole in the wall, but you have got to be the
smartest p
"Mansur, Warren" said:
>My biggest complaint is that half the tools, such as 'ps', 'tar', etc .
>. ., only seem to accept half as many options as other UNIX platforms,
>so I always have learn two versions of each command -- one for all
>UNIXes except Sun, and Sun. Example: try tying 'ps aux' on
On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 01:30:43PM -0500, Benjamin Scott wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Paul Lussier wrote:
> > As Derek and I have been heard to complain about many times, RH's biggest
> > problem seems to be that they don't have any professional sysadmins
> > working for them who have a clue abou
At some point hitherto, rabnud hath spake thusly:
>
> Thus far anything relevant to my post is leading towards a loose
> "specification". What I initially asked for was an executable and doc
> setup. What I think this needs to become is outlined in this post (and,
> hey fellas, if someone knows t
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:40:25 EST
rabnud said:
>I only ask (and want to see) that this OS can be ready to educate them,
>if anyone in the community is willing to help.
>I can''t (yet) write this, and I would if I could; it needs a majority
>vote and a collaborative effort to proc
At http://news.gnhlug.org/article.php?sid=392 is:
The Frustrated Newbies idea. And closure, if you wish.
The thread is rambling around and generally running away from my initial
idea.
Someone offered to write stuff in support of my idea... Thanks, maybe
you still will, but hold that thought fo
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:42:00 EST
Benjamin Scott said:
>Most things have de facto standards, but a few do not.
>In my case, "mt" comes to mind :-)
You know, you really ought to merge them all into a "Super-mt" command :)
--
Seeya,
Paul
Go
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Derek D. Martin wrote:
> For example, on Linux
Also, don't forget that Linux is (technically) just a kernel, and one
Linux system may use a different implementation of "ps" than another. Or
any other command. Most things have de facto standards, but a few do not.
I
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Paul Lussier wrote:
>> While I think you are generally right, in Red Hat's defense, even in
>> large "enterprise environments", your average desktop workstation can
>> generally be shutdown by the user using it.
>
> Well, short of hitting the power buttons, normal users coul
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:30:43 EST
Benjamin Scott said:
> While I think you are generally right, in Red Hat's defense, even in large
>"enterprise environments", your average desktop workstation can generally be
>shutdown by the user using it. Or do you encase all your workstatio
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At some point hitherto, Paul Lussier hath spake thusly:
>
> In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:48:58 EST
> Benjamin Scott said:
>
> > For that case, your problem is your background. The command you provide
> >uses BSD syntax. Solaris is a ba
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Paul Lussier wrote:
> As Derek and I have been heard to complain about many times, RH's biggest
> problem seems to be that they don't have any professional sysadmins
> working for them who have a clue about how things are done in large
> enterprise environments! :(
While I
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At some point hitherto, Mansur, Warren hath spake thusly:
> OK, let's say I have to log into several different kind of UNIXes
> and Linux boxes throughout the day from different OS's. Then let's
> say that half the time I log in, the delete key does
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:20:17 EST
"Rich C" said:
>Which is why I disable floppy and CD booting in the BIOS, and password
>protect the BIOS setup. Still not safe, but why make it easy?
Which is why "Security" is really the art of keeping honest people
honest, and making dishones
Tru64 supports both BSD (actually Unix 95) syntax as well as System V
syntax on virtually all commands. In the few cases where the commands
conflict, there is an environment variable you can set.
Even system calls can take on either BSD or System V behavior by setting
the appropriate "habitat"
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> On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Michael Costolo wrote:
> > Just out of curiosity, doesn't Tom's Ro
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:06:09 EST
Benjamin Scott said:
> Red Hat's take on this is that the user logged in at the console of a
>personal workstation should have the right to shut it down.
As Derek and I have been heard to complain about many times, RH's
biggest problem seems
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Paul Lussier wrote:
> Quite true. HP-UX and True64 used the same syntax IIRC.
As does IRIX.
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In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:48:58 EST
Benjamin Scott said:
> For that case, your problem is your background. The command you provide
>uses BSD syntax. Solaris is a based on System V, not BSD. Try "ps -ef"
>instead. You will have this problem on any SysV-based system.
Quite true
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:34:51 EST
"Mansur, Warren" said:
>how can I make sure that the delete key will always work when I log in to
>the various machines? Is it something to do with stty?
Yes, usually 'stty -erase ^H' will do the trick, or 'stty -erase ^?'
>Also, while I'm at
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Paul Iadonisi wrote:
> Seriously, and to diverge a bit from this thread, this does *not* however
> mean that console access implies lack of physical security.
Not always, but typically, it does.
> o Login as a normal non-root user on the console of Red Hat 7.2 system
> wit
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:02:22 EST
"Mansur, Warren" said:
>My biggest complaint is that half the tools, such as 'ps', 'tar', etc .
>. ., only seem to accept half as many options as other UNIX platforms,
>so I always have learn two versions of each command -- one for all
>UNIXes ex
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:02:22 EST
"Mansur, Warren" said:
>My biggest complaint is that half the tools, such as 'ps', 'tar', etc .
>. ., only seem to accept half as many options as other UNIX platforms,
>so I always have learn two versions of each command -- one for all
>UNIXes ex
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:41:10 EST
Rich Payne said:
>It's good to know I'm not the only one who thinks that. I quite often
>think that Sun, in laying out the file system not only used some random
>path generator, but also made sure the file was not in the same place as
>any oth
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Thomas Charron wrote:
>> Repeat after me: "If physical security is lost, all security is
>> lost."
>
> 'Mr IT guy. How come all the computers are locked behind plexiglass on
> our desks?'
You laugh, but the problem of insecure desktop systems is a major one.
--
Ben Scot
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Bill Freeman wrote:
> The RedHat 7.1 installer says that my old box at home (16Mb) "doesn't have
> enough System memory to install RedHat Linux" ...
Red Hat is no longer targeting systems that "small", which makes Red Hat
Linux a sub-optimal choice for it.
> So, other than
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Mansur, Warren wrote:
> My biggest complaint is that half the tools, such as 'ps', 'tar', etc . .
> ., only seem to accept half as many options as other UNIX platforms, so I
> always have learn two versions of each command -- one for all UNIXes
> except Sun, and Sun.
Just i
On Wed, 2002-02-13 at 17:45, Rich C wrote:
> Right, the man pages are a reference work. That's the way I have always
> considered them. You don't start reading the reference section of a
> programmers manual to learn a new language, do you? Of course not. Man pages
> are NOT a help system. For th
The RedHat 7.1 installer says that my old box at home (16Mb)
"doesn't have enough System memory to install RedHat Linux", and only
offerend an "OK" button, rather than letting me say "try anyway".
Yeah, it might swap like an old lady at a yard sale, and X may be no
fun, but shouldn't that
OK, let's say I have to log into several different kind of UNIXes and Linux boxes
throughout the day from different OS's. Then let's say that half the time I log in,
the delete key doesn't work but the backspace does. My simple question is, if I don't
have root priviledges on a machine, how c
On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 10:52:14AM -0500, Benjamin Scott wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Michael Costolo wrote:
> > Just out of curiosity, doesn't Tom's Root Boot Disk do the same thing for
> > Linux?
>
> Sure would.
>
> Repeat after me: "If physical security is lost, all security is lost."
>
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Mansur, Warren wrote:
> My biggest complaint is that half the tools, such as 'ps', 'tar', etc .
> . ., only seem to accept half as many options as other UNIX platforms,
> so I always have learn two versions of each command -- one
My biggest complaint is that half the tools, such as 'ps', 'tar', etc .
. ., only seem to accept half as many options as other UNIX platforms,
so I always have learn two versions of each command -- one for all
UNIXes except Sun, and Sun. Example: try tying 'ps aux' on Sun and see
what happens.
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> Yes, however you are (I feel) missing a very important point. If you have
> an S
On Thu, 2002-02-14 at 11:26, Mansur, Warren wrote:
> > Actually the utility I'm familiar with works just fine with NTFS.
> > Basically, Linux has no problem _changing_ data on NTFS. It's adding
> or
> > removing data that gets messy.
> > For those that have never seen it, you can download th
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Paul Lussier wrote:
>
> Amusingly, this morning I found myself reviewing the first chapter of
> the forthcoming Evi Nemeth, et. al, book, The Linux System
> Administration Handbook, and I came across this paragraph:
>
>
>
> ...the differences between UNIX and Linu
> Actually the utility I'm familiar with works just fine with NTFS.
> Basically, Linux has no problem _changing_ data on NTFS. It's adding
or
> removing data that gets messy.
> For those that have never seen it, you can download the disk image
at:
> http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/
Thanks fellas
J.
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Paul Lussier wrote:
>
> In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:18:58 EST
> "Joshua S. Freeman" said:
>
> >Speaking of which, is there a how-to somewhere that instructs one how to
> >harden sendmail by disabling VRFY and EXPN ?
>
> Sure:
> - check
Amusingly, this morning I found myself reviewing the first chapter of
the forthcoming Evi Nemeth, et. al, book, The Linux System
Administration Handbook, and I came across this paragraph:
...the differences between UNIX and Linux are largely
unimportant from the perspective o
'Dump' takes a '-B' argument to define media size in kB. I haven't tried it with
a CD, but back in the days of cartridge tapes it would prompt us for a new tape
after writing NkB.
Tom Rauschenbach wrote:
> This has got to be on topic. It's about a Linux machine in New Hampshire!
>
> I have a
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:18:58 EST
"Joshua S. Freeman" said:
>Speaking of which, is there a how-to somewhere that instructs one how to
>harden sendmail by disabling VRFY and EXPN ?
Sure:
- check the sendmail README file that comes with the source
- check sendmail
This is absolutely hilarious (stolen directly from /.)
-Mike-
Prenuptial Agreements (Score:5, Funny)
by DohDamit on Thursday February 14, @10:31AM (#3006810)
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1. No, you will not call him Commander. Or Taco.
2. He will not make you metamoderate durin
Quoting Benjamin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Michael Costolo wrote:
> > Just out of curiosity, doesn't Tom's Root Boot Disk do the same thing
> for
> > Linux?
> Sure would.
> Repeat after me: "If physical security is lost, all security is
> lost."
*snickers*
'Mr IT gu
Thought this was at least a bit cute.. 8-) Today Rob Proposed to his to-be
bride.. With a slashdot story..
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Thomas Charron
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Michael Costolo wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, doesn't Tom's Root Boot Disk do the same thing for
> Linux?
Sure would.
Repeat after me: "If physical security is lost, all security is lost."
;-)
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Quoting Michael Costolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Just out of curiosity, doesn't Tom's Root Boot Disk do the same thing
> for Linux?
*snickers* Yep, but it's only funny when done against a Microsoft
product.. 8-)
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<< Is beadarrach an ni an onair >>
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Just out of curiosity, doesn't Tom's Root Boot Disk do the same thing for Linux?
-Mike-
--- Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [by Brian, no last name given]
>
> Them: Important user, NT box, lost admin password, sad, sad, sad.
>
> Me: No problem, change password with magic linux dis
Joshua S. Freeman said:
> Speaking of which, is there a how-to somewhere that instructs one how to
> harden sendmail by disabling VRFY and EXPN ?
>
> J.
Yes. Sendmail comes wit a README that explains all the m4 macros for
configuring it. You should be able to find it in /usr/doc/sendmail*
if
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Rich Payne wrote:
> Presumable if the NT fs was NTFS then this would not have been so easy
> given Linux's (scary) NTFS write support.
It is still possible, just scarier. But that is really secondary. I
think the important lessons[1] here are:
- If you lose physical secu
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Rich Payne wrote:
> Presumable if the NT fs was NTFS then this would not have been so easy
> given Linux's (scary) NTFS write support.
Actually the utility I'm familiar with works just fine with NTFS.
Basically, Linux has
Presumable if the NT fs was NTFS then this would not have been so easy
given Linux's (scary) NTFS write support.
--rdp
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Paul Lussier wrote:
>
> [by Brian, no last name given]
>
> Them: Important user, NT box, lost admin password, sad, sad, sad.
>
> Me: No problem, chang
Speaking of which, is there a how-to somewhere that instructs one how to
harden sendmail by disabling VRFY and EXPN ?
J.
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Peter
Beardsley wrote:
> At 09:50 PM 2/13/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >I see it all the time. Usernames are usually fairly easy to guess
> >especially o
I'm pretty sure Paul meant to post that
joke with proper attribution, thus: ;->
> Newsgroups: rec.humor.funny
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=brian)
> Subject: Security is important
>
>
> Them: Important user, NT box, lost admin password, sad, sad, sad.
>
> Me: No problem, chan
Quoting Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Them: Gasp! This floppy is dangerous! Where did you get it?
> Me: Internet. Been around forever.
> Them: How do we keep students from using this?
> Me: Can't. Migrate. Linux. Mac.
> Them: No, no, no. Just make NT safe.
> Me: Can't. NT inherently unsafe.
[by Brian, no last name given]
Them: Important user, NT box, lost admin password, sad, sad, sad.
Me: No problem, change password with magic linux disk, offline NT password editor.
Them: No, no, no. Never work. NT secure. Get real.
Me: Watch. (reboot)
Them: Gasp! This floppy is dangerous! Whe
At 09:50 PM 2/13/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>I see it all the time. Usernames are usually fairly easy to guess
>especially on a mailserver if it's sendmail and VRFY and EXPN are
>enabled. Check your mail logs for a lot of 550's, then check the IP
>address against recent spam. Anything that wasn't rej
In a message dated: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:23:50 EST
"Derek D. Martin" said:
>And how could I forget to mention Evi Nemeth's wonderful "Unix System
>Administration Handbook" which now covers Linux (but focuses on Red
>Hat). She will soon be releasing a Linux-specific version of the book
>as well,
Thanks for posting this Mike - I've been waiting for some of the regular
"subscribers" to at least mention the web site (visit and offering to
help maintain it would be nice too).
> I just posted some FAQs to the news web site that might answer
some of your questions. (I chose to point out
Is that currently full of data, or is that just the file system size.
Tar has a multi-volume feature where you could create multiple tar
archives. An advantage of using tar is that you can easily recover
individual files.
Another technique is that you can set up a script that copies file by fi
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