Re: Help kill the Surveillance State Bill

2005-05-10 Thread Bill Freeman
Fred writes: Keep in mind that your microwave oven can be your best friend in the defense against RFIDs. Or if you want it to work sometimes, like when/if it becomes a requirement for some transactions, and you just want to prevent remote readings, keep it in an aluminum foil envelope

Re: Help kill the Surveillance State Bill

2005-05-10 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Bill Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You cannot prevent organizations, and especially government, from keeping track of you and much of what you do. Last time I checked the US government got its power from the people. The people supply it with taxes and votes. I find the assertion that

Free routers

2005-05-10 Thread Travis Roy
I got some routers for free. Most I sold but I had two left if anybody wants them. Cisco 2503 The Cisco 2500 Series of ethernet and token ring routers provide a wide range of branch office solutions including integrated router/hub and router/access server models. Each router chassis can

Re: Help kill the Surveillance State Bill

2005-05-10 Thread Paul Lussier
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin D. Clark) writes: Bill Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You cannot prevent organizations, and especially government, from keeping track of you and much of what you do. Last time I checked the US government got its power from the people. The people supply it with

Re: [OT] Help kill the Surveillance State Bill

2005-05-10 Thread Michael ODonnell
( please note and preserve the [OT] ) I recently read about some guy who built himself a wallet (not really small enough to count as wallet-sized, more like VHS cassette-sized) that has a card reader built in and will not open until a card is swiped, so when somebody asks him for his ID they

Re: Help kill the Surveillance State Bill

2005-05-10 Thread Fred
On Tue, 2005-05-10 at 09:15 -0400, Bill Freeman wrote: Fred writes: Keep in mind that your microwave oven can be your best friend in the defense against RFIDs. Or if you want it to work sometimes, like when/if it becomes a requirement for some transactions, and you just want to

Re: Help kill the Surveillance State Bill

2005-05-10 Thread Ben Scott
Hey people! Not too long ago we had a rather prolonged discussion about whether political stuff like this appropriate for this forum. While a formal vote was not taken, informally, a clear majority voiced the opinion that this stuff is better discussed elsewhere. Someone even went so far as

RE: [OT] Help kill the Surveillance State Bill

2005-05-10 Thread Brian
Yeah, that wearable computer guy in Seattle or Toronto I think. Interesting idea, but pointless. If you go to buy a 1/5 of Jack Daniels (for example) you have to show ID. YOU are the one initiating a sequence of events that you know will setoff a request for your ID. It is not sane to require

Re: [OT] Help kill the Surveillance State Bill

2005-05-10 Thread Paul Lussier
Michael ODonnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I recently read about some guy who built himself a wallet (not really small enough to count as wallet-sized, more like VHS cassette-sized) that has a card reader built in and will not open until a card is swiped, so when somebody asks him for his ID

RE: Environmental Monitoring

2005-05-10 Thread Brian
I have. I rolled my own. http://www.karas.net/homeautomation/temp_mon_front.jpg http://www.karas.net/homeautomation/temp_mon_pcb.jpg Basic Stamp, SitePlayer, Dallas 1-wire sensors, some bits of code and you have a monitor that can keep track of a couple of dozen temps that has a serial port

Routers gone

2005-05-10 Thread Travis Roy
They are claimed ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss

Re: Help kill the Surveillance State Bill

2005-05-10 Thread Bill Freeman
Fred writes: On Tue, 2005-05-10 at 09:15 -0400, Bill Freeman wrote: Fred writes: ... If RFIDs ever become a *requirement* for a transaction, there *won't be* a transaction with me, period. Even credit card merchants have the option of typing in the number if the mag stripe fails.

Re: Routers gone

2005-05-10 Thread Chris
Hi Travis... your email server is about 5hrs ahead. Travis Roy wrote: They are claimed ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss -- IBA #15631

Re: Environmental Monitoring

2005-05-10 Thread Bill McGonigle
On May 10, 2005, at 11:03, mike ledoux wrote: Have any of you done anything like this? Any recommendations? My quick google searches have only found solutions in the multiple thousand range, but which do much more than I need. I've been looking at this recently for a NEMA box I have in a swamp

Re: Environmental Monitoring

2005-05-10 Thread Ben Scott
On 5/10/05, mike ledoux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have any of you done anything like this? If you have any APC Smart-UPS units with open expansion slots, APC sells a gadget that provides ambient environmental monitoring. I think it's called Measure-UPS. I've seen them for a few hundred

Re: [OT] Help kill the Surveillance State Bill

2005-05-10 Thread Bill Freeman
Paul Lussier writes: Michael ODonnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... window but if they want to get a swipe from his card they first have to swipe theirs... ... I recently read the same article. I found it rather amusing. Though, if it were implanted with RFID, you'd have to embed a

List topics (was Re: Help kill the Surveillance State Bill)

2005-05-10 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 11:15:31AM -0400, Ben Scott wrote: Hey people! Not too long ago we had a rather prolonged discussion about whether political stuff like this appropriate for this forum. While a formal vote was not taken, informally, a clear majority voiced the opinion that this

Re: Rookit infections: AARRGH!

2005-05-10 Thread Paul Lussier
Neil Joseph Schelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone here have any additional insight to the best practice? I know it's considered best practice, but I never really found it to be logical and most only give the reasoning that is a best practice. Well, you could disallow root login

Re: Help kill the Surveillance State Bill

2005-05-10 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 09:38:29AM -0400, Kevin D. Clark wrote: Bill Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You cannot prevent organizations, and especially government, from keeping track of you and much of what you do. Last time I checked the US government got its power from the people.

Re: Rookit infections: AARRGH!

2005-05-10 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am suspicious that they are somehow breaking in through ssh -- http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/10/technology/10cisco.html Internet Attack Called Broad and Long Lasting by Investigators By JOHN MARKOFF and LOWELL BERGMAN Published: May 10, 2005

Re: Environmental Monitoring

2005-05-10 Thread David Ecklein
Just a thought... If you are not looking for deep instrumentation, but merely an alarm system. a near-zero budget idea would be to pick up those dial-type units that measure temperature and humidity. I see them all the time at flea markets and thrift stores for $5 or less. Epoxy very small

Re: Environmental Monitoring

2005-05-10 Thread Drew Van Zandt
Oh and for reference a single temp point + single humidity point would be... $424 + S/H (about $8) - can be expanded to 4 T/H points, hackable for switch closure etc. Save you shipping and handling if we meet somewhere for you to pick it up; company is in Bow, NH, I live in Merrimack, NH. --Drew

Re: Environmental Monitoring

2005-05-10 Thread Drew Van Zandt
My company makes these devices... might be out of your budget, but it's Ethernet-based with several available *nix apps for monitoring, including Nagios/Netsaint and MRTG. Also can be done from a perl script. Specs: http://www.sensatronics.com/products_environmental_monitor_em1.php Pricelist:

Re: List topics (was Re: Help kill the Surveillance State Bill)

2005-05-10 Thread Numberwhun
Derek Martin wrote: having topic police rarely helps... Ok, so what about having it posted to the GNHLUG Off Topic mailing list that was started a few months ago. Personally there have been OT posts here to the main list, but nobody has bothered to post them there. I think it was a pretty

Re: Environmental Monitoring

2005-05-10 Thread Tom Buskey
http://www.midondesign.com/index.html has a box w/ temp humidity sensing to serial port for ~ $135. They also sell the parts so you can make your own for less. Nagios touts http://www.nagios.org/products/environmental/esensors/em01.php which is ethernet/web based for temp, humidity, light.

Re: List topics (was Re: Help kill the Surveillance State Bill)

2005-05-10 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 09:57:13PM -0400, Numberwhun wrote: Derek Martin wrote: having topic police rarely helps... Ok, so what about having it posted to the GNHLUG Off Topic mailing list that was started a few months ago. Personally there have been OT posts here to the main list,

Yet Another Perl Conference final details

2005-05-10 Thread Gerard Lim
Hi everyone... This email could be of interest to people interested in the Perl programming language. I know that in Toronto there is a good-sized overlap between Linux people and Perl people (we occasionally hold joint sessions of our user group meetings) so we hoped to share this information