Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread Bob King
During the Xen discussion at MerriLUG, it was mentioned that the Xen implementation on FC6 required PAE on the cpu. I knew that my two Linux boxen at home did not support VTX, so I checked the processors for the PAE flag. My Xeon system had PAE and also supported hyperthreading, which was hardly

Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread Thomas Charron
On 4/25/07, Bob King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During the Xen discussion at MerriLUG, it was mentioned that the Xen implementation on FC6 required PAE on the cpu. I knew that my two Linux boxen at home did not support VTX, so I checked the processors for the PAE flag. My Xeon system had PAE and

Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread Thomas Charron
On 4/25/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if anyone had heard anything about this? If the cpu really supports hyperthreading then I might want to invest in a new mobo for that box. The differences between Dualcore and Hyperthreading are debatable. Is it possible

Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread bmcculley
Interesting question, got me wondering if my Core 2 Duo cpu would look the same. Haven't had the chance to check it yet, but I did some reading and found that it seems neither the Pentium D 805 or my Core 2 Duo 6400 have hyperthread technology although they're both dual-cores. I haven't

Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread bmcculley
There are also a few dual cores with hyperthreading, Xeon was one product line I noticed had such models. Logically, the HT tech would add some performance at the expense of some added hardware logic, dual cores adds more performance but takes more silicon, dual cores with HT take the most

Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread Bob King
On 4/25/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The differences between Dualcore and Hyperthreading are debatable. Is it possible that whatever reported the HT bit simply did so because the capabilities from a software perspective are so simular? After rereading, I anted to clarify.

[GNHLUG] Near-Fest Ham event - May 4th and 5th at Deerfield Fairgrounds

2007-04-25 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
GNHLUG will be sponsoring a one-table display of Linux at the Near-Fest Ham Event. Since we typically want a lockable, indoor space with power, I signed up as a commercial vendor, which costs $40. per eight-foot space (and $16 per eight-foot table to go in it). This is considerably more than

Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread Bob King
On 4/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That article also says the D 805 looks like a great overclocker, the biggest reason I prefer my Core2Duo is power consumption, but with the 805 in hand I might look for a good overclocking mobo to take full advantage of it, if that's your

Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread Thomas Charron
On 4/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also, the table on page 18 of a good review of the D 805 on Tom's Hardware shows the D 805 has no HT implementation, but comments on the equivalency of dual-core. Find it at:

Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread Shawn K. O'Shea
I was wondering if anyone had heard anything about this? If the cpu really supports hyperthreading then I might want to invest in a new mobo for that box. This got me curiously googling around and I found this in an Intel doc on the Linux kernel: ht in 'flags' field of /proc/cpuinfo indicate

Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread Ben Scott
On 4/25/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, this is exactly why I say the differences from a software perspective are debatable. In the sense of what you have to program to make use of it, yes. Either way, you have to worry about shared memory concurrency, locking, re-entrance,

Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread Paul Lussier
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are also a few dual cores with hyperthreading, Xeon was one product line I noticed had such models. Yeah, I just checked one of our new machines which is a dual dual-core. It reports 4 GenuineIntel CPUs in /proc/cpuinfo, all of which have the 'ht' flag set.

Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread Bob King
On 4/25/07, Shawn K. O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ht in 'flags' field of /proc/cpuinfo indicate that the processor supports the Machine Specific Registers to report back HT or multi-core capability. Additional fields (listed down below) in the CPU records of /proc/cpuinfo will give more

Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Apr 25, 2007, at 12:53, Shawn K. O'Shea wrote: ht in 'flags' field of /proc/cpuinfo indicate that the processor supports the Machine Specific Registers to report back HT or multi-core capability. Additional fields (listed down below) in the CPU records of /proc/cpuinfo will give more

Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 14:15:55 Paul Lussier wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are also a few dual cores with hyperthreading, Xeon was one product line I noticed had such models. Yeah, I just checked one of our new machines which is a dual dual-core. It reports 4 GenuineIntel

Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 13:56:35 Ben Scott wrote: On 4/25/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, this is exactly why I say the differences from a software perspective are debatable. In the sense of what you have to program to make use of it, yes. Either way, you have to

Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread Ben Scott
On 4/25/07, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, 'ht' just reports whether the CPU knows it has hyperthreading or knows it doesn't have hyperthreading. This tripped me up for a good hour once! So the HT flag does not indicate HyperThreading capability. Rather, the HT flag

Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread bmcculley
Actually it looks like the newer Xeons (dual and quad cores) don't support HT. I googled and found this comment: Hyperthreading is only on the NetBurst based 50xx Xeons - the Core2 based 51xx Xeons do not support hyperthreading The same is apparently true of the 5300 quad-core Xeon. So

Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread mike ledoux
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 02:15:55PM -0400, Paul Lussier wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are also a few dual cores with hyperthreading, Xeon was one product line I noticed had such models. Yeah, I just checked one of our new machines which is a dual dual-core. It reports 4

Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 15:19:48 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually it looks like the newer Xeons (dual and quad cores) don't support HT. I googled and found this comment: Hyperthreading is only on the NetBurst based 50xx Xeons - the Core2 based 51xx Xeons do not support hyperthreading

Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread Bob King
On 4/25/07, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, 'ht' just reports whether the CPU knows it has hyperthreading or knows it doesn't have hyperthreading. This tripped me up for a good hour once! I have a 2.5GHz P4 here without hyperthreading, but it knows that it doesn't: $cat

dual-core vs. HyperThreading

2007-04-25 Thread Michael ODonnell
I can definitely confirm that my core 2 quad system has no HT available to turn on in the bios (but does show ht in the cpuflags, which aligns with other comments in the thread). I've heard it suggested several times now that features like HyperThreading can be enabled or disabled in the

Re: dual-core vs. HyperThreading

2007-04-25 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 17:10:15 Michael ODonnell wrote: I can definitely confirm that my core 2 quad system has no HT available to turn on in the bios (but does show ht in the cpuflags, which aligns with other comments in the thread). I've heard it suggested several times now that

Re: dual-core vs. HyperThreading

2007-04-25 Thread Michael ODonnell
I've heard it suggested several times now that features like HyperThreading can be enabled or disabled in the BIOS I notice that dmidecode shows the flags in question in the output for record Type 4, so maybe the BIOS modifies the DMI data and the kernel chooses to believe that instead of

Re: dual-core vs. HyperThreading

2007-04-25 Thread Thomas Charron
On 4/25/07, Michael ODonnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can definitely confirm that my core 2 quad system has no HT available to turn on in the bios (but does show ht in the cpuflags, which aligns with other comments in the thread). I've heard it suggested several times now that features like

Re: dual-core vs. HyperThreading

2007-04-25 Thread bmcculley
Original message Michael ODonnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard it suggested several times now that features like HyperThreading can be enabled or disabled in the BIOS and I don't understand how that can be possible. AFAIK a CPU either does or doesn't have a given feature and

Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread Paul Lussier
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually it looks like the newer Xeons (dual and quad cores) don't support HT. I googled and found this comment: Hyperthreading is only on the NetBurst based 50xx Xeons - the Core2 based 51xx Xeons do not support hyperthreading The same is apparently true of

Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise

2007-04-25 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Apr 25, 2007, at 22:24, Paul Lussier wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually it looks like the newer Xeons (dual and quad cores) don't support HT. I googled and found this comment: Hyperthreading is only on the NetBurst based 50xx Xeons - the Core2 based 51xx Xeons do not support