Any advice on Solaris laptops?

2007-06-21 Thread Alex Hewitt
Since Solaris 10 is now provided under an Open Source license, I thought it might be appropriate to ask if anyone has any recommendations for running X86 Solaris 10 on a laptop. -Alex P.S. I'm not planning on doing this myself but have a colleague who is interested.

Re: Any advice on Solaris laptops?

2007-06-21 Thread Tom Buskey
On 6/21/07, Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since Solaris 10 is now provided under an Open Source license, I thought it might be appropriate to ask if anyone has any recommendations for running X86 Solaris 10 on a laptop. -Alex I've seen people using the Ferrari (by Acer?) with it.

Re: Any advice on Solaris laptops?

2007-06-21 Thread Shawn K. O'Shea
On 6/21/07, Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since Solaris 10 is now provided under an Open Source license, I thought it might be appropriate to ask if anyone has any recommendations for running X86 Solaris 10 on a laptop. -Alex P.S. I'm not planning on doing this myself but have a

Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/21/07, Shawn K. O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without going on my typical rant about Solaris/x86 ... Okay, I'm curious, and this list has been starved for *nix-related discussion lately. What's your typical rant? :-) -- Ben ___

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Thomas Charron
On 6/21/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/21/07, Shawn K. O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without going on my typical rant about Solaris/x86 ... Okay, I'm curious, and this list has been starved for *nix-related discussion lately. What's your typical rant? :-) An easy one to

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Cole Tuininga
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 09:52 -0400, Thomas Charron wrote: So one has to ask. What's the point? :-) ZFS? :) -- Cole Tuininga [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.code-energy.com/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Tom Buskey
On 6/21/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/21/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/21/07, Shawn K. O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without going on my typical rant about Solaris/x86 ... Okay, I'm curious, and this list has been starved for *nix-related discussion

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Mark Komarinski
On 06/21/2007 10:02 AM, Cole Tuininga wrote: On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 09:52 -0400, Thomas Charron wrote: So one has to ask. What's the point? :-) ZFS? :) http://zfs-on-fuse.blogspot.com/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Ted Roche
Thomas Charron wrote: So one has to ask. What's the point? :-) ZFS! http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.gnhlug/9813 -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Thomas Charron
On 6/21/07, Cole Tuininga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 09:52 -0400, Thomas Charron wrote: So one has to ask. What's the point? :-) ZFS? :) ZFS is nice, yes. But does it offer a large enough benefit to justify a shift to an entirely different operating system?

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/21/07, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A stable API with backward compatibility A better point to make is the stable ABI. The Linux API does pretty well with getting old code to compile under newer stuff. But getting old binaries working is often less easy. There's a definite

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Tom Buskey
On 6/21/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/21/07, Cole Tuininga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 09:52 -0400, Thomas Charron wrote: So one has to ask. What's the point? :-) ZFS? :) ZFS is nice, yes. But does it offer a large enough benefit to justify a

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Thomas Charron
On 6/21/07, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An easy one to target is the fact that every few years, Sun decides to phase out Solaris x86, then rekindle it once again. They tried to phase out Solaris 9. Solaris 10 was actively developed on AMD chips. Solaris 11 is being actively

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Tom Buskey
On 6/21/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/21/07, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A stable API with backward compatibility A better point to make is the stable ABI. The Linux API does pretty well with getting old code to compile under newer stuff. But getting old binaries

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Cole Tuininga
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 10:14 -0400, Mark Komarinski wrote: On 06/21/2007 10:02 AM, Cole Tuininga wrote: On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 09:52 -0400, Thomas Charron wrote: So one has to ask. What's the point? :-) ZFS? :) http://zfs-on-fuse.blogspot.com/ Right - but because FUSE lives in

Re: Any advice on Solaris laptops?

2007-06-21 Thread Joseph
Hello Shawn, As someone who really likes Sun and has used Solaris for ever I don't see Sun as a choice in that space. Arguably Sun has had amazing innovations and contributions to the FOSS community and those are definitively appreciated. Unfortunately they don't really have any salient

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Derek Atkins
Cole Tuininga [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 10:14 -0400, Mark Komarinski wrote: On 06/21/2007 10:02 AM, Cole Tuininga wrote: On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 09:52 -0400, Thomas Charron wrote: So one has to ask. What's the point? :-) ZFS? :)

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/21/07, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To those who are not aware, Solaris 2.6 would be Solaris 6 under the current nomenclature. Actually, Solaris 2.6 is 2.6. Solaris 2.7 became just Solaris 7. Lame response. Obviously, if 2.7 = 7, 2.8 = 8, 2.9 = 9, and 2.10 = 10, then 2.6 =

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/21/07, Derek Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right - but because FUSE lives in userland, my understanding is that the performance is somewhere around 50% of what you'd see on Solaris. Actually, the FUSE overhead is extremely low. Performance almost always depends on implementation

ZFS/FUSE

2007-06-21 Thread Shawn K. O'Shea
On 6/21/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/21/07, Derek Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right - but because FUSE lives in userland, my understanding is that the performance is somewhere around 50% of what you'd see on Solaris. Actually, the FUSE overhead is extremely low.

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:29, Thomas Charron wrote: ZFS is nice, yes. But does it offer a large enough benefit to justify a shift to an entirely different operating system? I think the answer is 'yes', if your needs are a match for ZFS. Now, without sparking a 60-message thread of what is an

Re: Stupid server semantic argument (was: Non Linux but network tech question)

2007-06-21 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Jun 19, 2007, at 13:05, Thomas Charron wrote: No, it isn't. It isn't a client either. It's a 'collaborative' application, where there isn't a client or a server, just peers which send data to each other. Are we talking about perception or implementation? At the implementation level,

Re: Stupid server semantic argument (was: Non Linux but network tech question)

2007-06-21 Thread Thomas Charron
On 6/21/07, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2007, at 13:05, Thomas Charron wrote: No, it isn't. It isn't a client either. It's a 'collaborative' application, where there isn't a client or a server, just peers which send data to each other. Are we talking about

Re: Solaris/x86 rant

2007-06-21 Thread Paul Lussier
Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When was Solaris (2.)6 released? 1998ish? Certainly before 2000. I think it was late 98, early 99. I was at Bay Networks and left there in March of 2000, which was the last time I really admin'ed a Solaris shop, and we had a couple of 2.6 systems

Re: Solaris/x86 rant

2007-06-21 Thread Shawn K. O'Shea
On 6/21/07, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When was Solaris (2.)6 released? 1998ish? Certainly before 2000. I think it was late 98, early 99. I was at Bay Networks and left there in March of 2000, which was the last time I really admin'ed

Application-accessible nvram/cache for Linux?

2007-06-21 Thread Paul Lussier
Hi all, Someone just asked me if I had ever heard of an Intel-based system with application-accessible non-volatile RAM. The idea is that OS could move things out of swap and/or system memory into nvram (battery-backed is okay) in the case of a power failure similar to the way RAID controllers

Re: Application-accessible nvram/cache for Linux?

2007-06-21 Thread Drew Van Zandt
Flash hard drives are out there, that's close... I saw SRAM-based hard drives once upon a time, but that was so long ago I don't know if they still exist. These are small but purchaseable: http://magicram.com/industrial_sram.htm There are solid-state hard disks, SATA interface or IDE:

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread VirginSnow
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:42:47 -0400 From: Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Disposition: inline Cc: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org As a desktop, I think Linux has it all over Solaris though not as much as in the past. As a server, I can see places where Solaris has advantages.

Re: Application-accessible nvram/cache for Linux?

2007-06-21 Thread VirginSnow
From: Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:53:38 -0400 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, Someone just asked me if I had ever heard of an Intel-based system with application-accessible non-volatile RAM. The idea is that OS could move things out of swap and/or

Re: Application-accessible nvram/cache for Linux?

2007-06-21 Thread Paul Lussier
Drew Van Zandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Flash hard drives are out there, that's close... Too slow I'm told. I saw SRAM-based hard drives once upon a time, but that was so long ago I don't know if they still exist. I don't think they want a drive, they want something like a battery-backed

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
And there's the retro naming of SunOS 4.x to Solaris 1.x. ummm, that was way more than a retro naming. SunOS was based on the BSD kernel and the BSD code, modified a long time under Sun. Solaris was based on System V.4, with Sun ripping it apart and basically re-writing it. SunOS was related

Re: [SAGE] a video

2007-06-21 Thread Paul Lussier
This was sent to the SAGE members list today. I urge you to watch it. Offered without comment, except that my politics are generally those of 1880: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list

Re: Application-accessible nvram/cache for Linux?

2007-06-21 Thread Chip Marshall
On June 21, 2007, Paul Lussier sent me the following: Drew Van Zandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=2480p=2 Hmmm, interesting... Thanks! I was looking at these a while back. I remember there were some negative comments about the Gigabyte i-RAM on