Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-31 Thread Fred
On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 12:58, Jerry Feldman wrote: > On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:39:44 -0400 > Jon maddog Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I will have to agree with Ben. Despite the fact that I too love the > > feeling of pages turning between my hands, and I love taking that book > > out under th

Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-31 Thread Thomas M. Albright
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Ted Roche wrote: > We live in interesting times! Isn't that a Chinese curse? "May you live in interesting times." -- TARogue (Linux user number 234357) We understand death for the first time when he puts his hand upon one whom we love. -Madame De Stael, writer (1766-1817

Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-31 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:06:26 -0400 Michael Costolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How about the so-called tablet pc: > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/tabletpc/ > I'm not sure if this tablet pc thing fits the bill. To get the weight > down, you'll probably have to wait until the flexible screen

RE: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-31 Thread Tilly, Lawrence
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Michael Costolo > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:12 AM > And electronics, computers in particular, have changed > dramatically in just the last decade. A book can be picked > up and read b

Re: Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-31 Thread Michael Costolo
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 09:46:23 -0400, Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, but in the context where the screen is about the size of a book > page. Actually, what I would really like is a handheld/wearable/notebook > computer where I could conveniently sit down in a couch, under the > prove

Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-31 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:51:34 -0400 Michael Costolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're almost describing the handheld platform. For which there > exists ebook reader software. Which, to the best of my understanding, > hasn't been all that impressive sales-wise (ebooks on handhelds, that > is).

Re: Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-31 Thread Mark Komarinski
On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 08:51:34AM -0400, Michael Costolo wrote: > > Imagine one > > with almost no CPU, a relatively small hard disk (the 20 GB Ipod disk > > would work fine), minimal RAM, no legacy PCMCIA/serial/parallel/VGA, and > > yet the ability to hold hundreds if not thousands of books? >

Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-31 Thread Michael Costolo
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:48:55 -0400, Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In a large time scale, I agree with Ben and maddog that paper will > likely go the way of papyrus, Don't forget that papyrus was only replaced with the dried pulp of a different plant and some more refined processing. Asi

Re: Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-31 Thread Michael Costolo
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:17:48 -0400, Ken D'Ambrosio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Costolo wrote: > > > But why exactly would they do that? Same size, weight, etc. of a > > > >book, but needs batteries, has a screen that can break, and costs far > >more than a common $10 or $15 paperback. > >

Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-30 Thread Ted Roche
The savings aren't that easy to capture. Witness Safari and other publisher's efforts at ebook publishing. There's still author's royalties, maybe a buck a book or so, and the labor expense of technical editing, copy editing and layout. Then, there's marketing, advertising and promotion. Web si

Re: Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-30 Thread Jeff Macdonald
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:17:48 -0400, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: > Michael Costolo wrote: > > If the only costs I were paying were some marketing, royalties and > trivial distribution fees, I HAVE to imagine that lifetime savings (for > me, at least) would be in the thousands. > Yet if there was a 'pa

Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-30 Thread Ken D'Ambrosio
Michael Costolo wrote: But why exactly would they do that? Same size, weight, etc. of a book, but needs batteries, has a screen that can break, and costs far more than a common $10 or $15 paperback. Have you seen the price of low-cost notebooks these days? Imagine one with almost no CPU, a rel

Re: Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-30 Thread Michael Costolo
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:54:19 -0400, Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:21:55 -0400 > Michael Costolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I don't ever see myself curling up in bed with my laptop. And the > > paperless office has yet to be realized. Methinks if there i

Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-30 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:21:55 -0400 Michael Costolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't ever see myself curling up in bed with my laptop. And the > paperless office has yet to be realized. Methinks if there is a way > to make a buck with dead tree versions, someone will be doing it. I think the

RE: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-29 Thread bscott
As a counter-point... I've had nothing but positive experiences with Amazon's customer service, both email and voice. They respond quickly and are interested in helping. Likewise, they provide near-real-time information on availability and shipping status. All very impersonal, of course,

Re: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-27 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:10:32 -0400 Bill Sconce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've used Borders for several years; it's worth the trip down > to a brick-and-mortar store to actually leaf through the latest > candidate for addition to my library. Other local bookstores > are equally good. I'd neve

RE: Bookstores [Was: Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]]

2004-08-27 Thread Bill Sconce
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:38:09 -0400 "Kenneth E. Lussier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 10:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Incidentally, I routinely check SoftPro's website when > > browsing online as an alternative to the Amazon/Borders > > megamerchants. It's good to su

Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]

2004-08-26 Thread Ted Roche
On Aug 26, 2004, at 9:41 AM, Steven W. Orr wrote: I really wish that SoftPro would have excersized a bit more entrepeneurial spirit and thought to augment their business by also running an online operation. If they had done that they might still be in their lost locations Try http://store.yahoo.

Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]

2004-08-26 Thread Kenneth E. Lussier
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 10:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Incidentally, I routinely check SoftPro's website when > browsing online as an alternative to the Amazon/Borders > megamerchants. It's good to support the local > service-oriented merchants as much as possible so I'd rather > use them if t

Re: FOSS POS apps - Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]

2004-08-26 Thread Jon maddog Hall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Would this possibly be a worthwhile project? I mean the FOSS development of > a good POS package, not upgrading SoftPro? apparently someone thinks it would be worthwhile: http://www.linux-pos.org/ There seem to be 11 applications (excluding 3 just for barcode reading

FOSS POS apps - Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]

2004-08-26 Thread bmcculley
Interesting. Would this possibly be a worthwhile project? I mean the FOSS development of a good POS package, not upgrading SoftPro? Sorry, guess I've been doing product development too long, my first instinct is to generalize the problem and invent a solution for the entire class. Is there a ne

Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]

2004-08-26 Thread bmcculley
Jon maddog Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >> Also off-topic, but how is SoftPro doing? Since they've >> moved I've been there maybe once. [...snip...] >I read an article by Tim O'Reilly on SoftPRO's web site >that talked about going to a bookstore for use as a >libra

Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]

2004-08-26 Thread Steven W. Orr
On Wednesday, Aug 25th 2004 at 22:51 -0400, quoth Jon maddog Hall: =>and the "I will browse your books but buy online" syndrome. The store is =>not as large as it used to be. They do not have the "coffee area" that they =>had, but the rent is $10,000. per month cheaper. As the manager said, =>y

Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]

2004-08-25 Thread Jon maddog Hall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Also off-topic, but how is SoftPro doing? Since they've moved I've been there > maybe once. They used to have four stores: o Burlington, MA o Marlboro, MA o Boulder, Co o Denver Tech Center, Co They now have two stores: o Waltha

Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]

2004-08-25 Thread Fred
On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 16:54, Jeff Macdonald wrote: > On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:38:18 -0400, Mark Komarinski > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 01:40:47PM -0400, Jon maddog Hall wrote: > > When I was last at the SoftPro in Waltham (last fall maybe?) > > Also off-topic, but how i

Re: Going OT [Was: Re: Replacing PBXes with Open Source]

2004-08-25 Thread Jeff Macdonald
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:38:18 -0400, Mark Komarinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 01:40:47PM -0400, Jon maddog Hall wrote: > When I was last at the SoftPro in Waltham (last fall maybe?) Also off-topic, but how is SoftPro doing? Since they've moved I've been there maybe once