It's time to talk by-laws again...

2006-04-18 Thread Ted Roche
Several attendees at past quarterly activists meetings have expressed interest in reviving this topic. And maddog's recent postings on the Gould Academy get-together also point to the advantages of having a non-profit structure. GNHLUG is in a indefinite position, as it has no legal

Re: It's time to talk by-laws again...

2006-04-18 Thread Bruce Dawson
Excellent [re-]start Ted. Thanks for remembering this! Ted Roche wrote: ... I have a few ideas about how I'd like to structure the organization. This is just one guy's opinion and I'd welcome constructive criticism. The main things I am trying to build in here are: representation,

Re: It's time to talk by-laws again...

2006-04-18 Thread Ed Lawson
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:41:00 -0400 Bruce Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent [re-]start Ted. Thanks for remembering this! Indeed. Of course the age old problem still exists. Since everyone wants to be as egalitarian as our roots require (and I essentially agree with this view),

Re: It's time to talk by-laws again...

2006-04-18 Thread Bruce Dawson
Ted Roche wrote: On Apr 18, 2006, at 2:17 PM, Ed Lawson wrote: Sounds like a good topic to merge with a quarterly summer meeting with a key-signing party and a summer cookout, eh? Eh? (My ears perk up.) I guess I need to firm up my summer schedule. Speaking of cat herding... Sigh. --Bruce

Re: It's time to talk by-laws again...

2006-04-18 Thread Ed Lawson
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:40:12 -0400 Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we're going to go before anyone and say we represent GNHLUG, we have to make sure we actually *DO* represent GNHLUG. That means everyone has to agree with everything we're pushing (more or less). Not in response to

Re: It's time to talk by-laws again...

2006-04-18 Thread Jon maddog Hall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 1. All chapters have a representative in the executive council. (What's a chapter? We'll let the governing body decide, perhaps by drafting regulations, perhaps by vote on a case-by-case basis.) 2. Two or more at large members can serve, bringing the total count

Re: It's time to talk by-laws again...

2006-04-18 Thread Ben Scott
On 4/18/06, Ed Lawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not in response to the merits of what Ben has suggested, but only to point out that one often under appreciated and misunderstood feature of a democracy is that the majority rules. Indeed, and not just

Re: It's time to talk by-laws again...

2006-04-18 Thread Ben Scott
On 4/18/06, Jon maddog Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As to Ben's input ... I think that general guidelines of We believe in Free and Open Source Software and its use is a pretty general idea and leaves lots of room open for advocacy. General ideas tend to get bogged down when the details

Re: It's time to talk by-laws again...

2006-04-18 Thread Ted Roche
On Apr 18, 2006, at 2:52 PM, Bruce Dawson wrote: Ah ha! You're suggesting a Senate to go with the Representatives! Senates *are* good balances to the sometimes mob rule of representative government, but maybe we could have two forms of representative - one representing the constituents and one

Re: It's time to talk by-laws again...

2006-04-18 Thread Jon maddog Hall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I don't understand. I thought one of the reasons for seeking (c)(3) status was so that contributions would be tax-deductible. ?? Sure, *if* you can get 501(c)3 status. What I am telling you is that several tax-lawyers I know are telling me that 501(c)3 status is

Re: It's time to talk by-laws again...

2006-04-18 Thread Bruce Dawson
Ted Roche wrote: On Apr 18, 2006, at 2:52 PM, Bruce Dawson wrote: Ah ha! You're suggesting a Senate to go with the Representatives! Senates *are* good balances to the sometimes mob rule of representative government, but maybe we could have two forms of representative - one representing the

Re: It's time to talk by-laws again...

2006-04-18 Thread Ted Roche
On Apr 18, 2006, at 3:40 PM, Ben Scott wrote: I believe that, when it comes to advocacy, there should be legal entity separate from GNHLUG. To my mind, GNHLUG is an organization that provides an infrastructure for members to meet, confer, network and create projects. Advocacy for or

Re: It's time to talk by-laws again...

2006-04-18 Thread Bill Sconce
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:12:41 -0400 Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm... wonder if anyone on this list is familiar with maintaining voter lists. Oh oh. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org

Re: It's time to talk by-laws again...

2006-04-18 Thread David Marston
Well, I sat out the two iterations on this topic, at least as far as the following idea is concerned. It was a problem of personalities in the past, but perhaps the people in question are no longer (deeply) involved. If you know about *current* problems and don't want to publicize them, please at