On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.gnome.org/images/screenshots/2400-jacob-big
http://www.gnome.org/images/screenshots/2518-iain-big
http://www.gnome.org/images/screenshots/2520-ole-big
I always thought that was a fried egg. Huh.
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan schrieb:
Thanks for suggestion. We have got some ideas from the discussion
so far. Please see a summary at:
http://live.gnome.org/FootAndCulturalIssue
You are listing Nepal (as referred by Wikipedia, no confirmation by
native people yet)
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To: Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cultural Issue with the Foot Logo
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:42:45 +0700
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I come from Malaysia. I do understand about the cultural issue regarding
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suggested that you ask the Art team, and that you then take their
suggestions to the board.
+1.
On 6 Nov 2008, at 10:37, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Maybe you could contact the GNOME Art team. They could make some
suggestions. Don't focus on the Gnome idea. Few people think of
small
mythical beings when
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6 Nov 2008, at 10:37, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
In my vague memory, some GNOME 1.x versions used to use a flower
logo at the main menu. And after some search, I've found some
evidences:
Ah yes. During our
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe you could contact the GNOME Art team. They could make some
suggestions. Don't focus on the Gnome idea. Few people think of small
mythical beings when they think of GNOME. Unfortunately, I don't have a
good
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 17:37 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe you could contact the GNOME Art team. They could make some
suggestions. Don't focus on the Gnome idea. Few people think of small
mythical
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 17:37 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe you could contact the GNOME Art team. They could make some
suggestions.
Hi Theppitak,
As already suggested, delegating the choice of the new logo to the Art
Team is the typical thing to do.
My concern is in the practicalities when trying to apply the new logo
in a distribution.
If you have your own distribution, you can make all sort of changes,
so it it OK.
What
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suggested that you ask the Art team, and that you then take their
suggestions to the board.
+1.
It's artweb-list, not art.gnome.org, I suppose?
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suggested that you ask the Art team, and that you then take their
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Simos Xenitellis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As already suggested, delegating the choice of the new logo to the Art
Team is the typical thing to do.
Yes, thanks. That would be much better than my primitive drawings.
My concern is in the practicalities when
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Matej Urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is showing a paw print in your culture considered rude?
Not at all. That's normal.
Now, there you have your solution. Interpret the sign as a paw print
and not a foot. Tell all new users that the foot is actually a print
Hello Theppitak,
you raised an interesting question. There a few precedents, but I doubt
those cases validate the solution you propose:
The first precedent that comes to mind is the reason the cheap sedan
from USSR was named Lada(archaic Slavic for beautiful girl) instead
of the original
Hi,
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Sergey Panov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've mentioned those two examples in the wain attempt to prove that some
(many/most) of the cultural sensitivities are ridiculous to the point
of being foony.
When I saw foot(long, long time ago) as a Gnome Desktop
Op donderdag 30-10-2008 om 13:27 uur [tijdzone +0700], schreef Theppitak
Karoonboonyanan:
How is a foot interpreted in your culture? Do you have the same
issue I have met? In my culture, showing foot is considered rude.
We have no problems showing our feet in our culture, it's not considered
On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 17:25 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
The problem I've met is a kind of barrier for new comers, as foot is
considered the least respected part of the body in my culture.
It's not that kind of disgust you explained. But it's a sign of strong
disrespect. You should
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Petr Kovar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:10:32
+0700:
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Petr Kovar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sat, 1 Nov 2008
14:00:06 +0700:
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 17:25 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
The problem I've met is a kind of barrier for new comers, as foot is
considered the least respected part of the body in my culture.
It's not that kind of
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Tino Meinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Op donderdag 30-10-2008 om 13:27 uur [tijdzone +0700], schreef Theppitak
Karoonboonyanan:
How is a foot interpreted in your culture? Do you have the same
issue I have met? In my culture, showing foot is considered rude.
We
Is showing a paw print in your culture considered rude?
Not at all. That's normal.
Now, there you have your solution. Interpret the sign as a paw print
and not a foot. Tell all new users that the foot is actually a print
ant you have no cultural issues. Something similar was suggested few
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:44 PM, F Wolff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Vr, 2008-10-31 at 12:17 +0100, Petr Kovar wrote:
What about not using the foot logo, or introducing a new logo, if desirable,
in Thai (and
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:00:06
+0700:
(...)
Let me add another difference between the direct logo localization
and the icon theming methods.
Many Thai users don't like to use Thai translation. This is a popular
taste, despite how much translation
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Petr Kovar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:00:06
+0700:
Let me add another difference between the direct logo localization
and the icon theming methods.
Many Thai users don't like to use Thai
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:10:32
+0700:
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Petr Kovar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sat, 1 Nov 2008
14:00:06 +0700:
Let me add another difference between the direct logo localization
Petr Kovar skrev:
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:10:32
+0700:
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Petr Kovar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sat, 1 Nov 2008
14:00:06 +0700:
Let me add another difference between the direct
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In summary, I'd propose icon theming + GNOME recognition of the
secondary logo.
I've tried creating an icon theme using the hat logo.
http://linux.thai.net/~thep/shots/gnome-logo/Hat-20081102.tar.gz
This
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Gudmund Areskoug
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Petr Kovar skrev:
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sun, 2 Nov 2008
02:10:32
+0700:
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Petr
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Gudmund Areskoug
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Petr Kovar skrev:
Sorry, but I can't understand this. In my way of thinking, one has to have
rather good English skills in order to use
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Andre Klapper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am Freitag, den 31.10.2008, 09:56 +0700 schrieb Theppitak
Karoonboonyanan:
How about this one?
http://linux.thai.net/~thep/shots/gnome-logo/gnome-ok.svg
(Sorry, this one is the real ugly.)
Hopefully it's not an
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Petr Kovar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about not using the foot logo, or introducing a new logo, if desirable,
in Thai (and Lao, and perhaps some others) locale only? Would the logo
change be sufficient solely as a part of your l10n processes?
I think it's
To put in the information of somebody that has nothing to do with
gnome, but with brands a bit as part of my work for Firefox.
I expect your chances of getting the foot changed to be slim. I just
looked over planet.gnome.org, and it's full of foots. The recognition
and value of that logo are
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Axel Hecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I expect your chances of getting the foot changed to be slim. I just
looked over planet.gnome.org, and it's full of foots. The recognition
and value of that logo are probably outweighing your problems by an
order of
Andre,
You're 100% right about using the sign made by Am here in Brazil. I think
using this proposed sign would avoid the use of GNOME because of it's sexual
appealing.
Just to register: Here, when somebody disagree with other, he/she shows the
Okay sign, when they have some kind of friendship or
2008-10-31 (금), 14:40 +0100, Axel Hecht:
To give an example of where Firefox is hitting a brick wall in terms
of spreading the word. In Korea, nobody is using https to do safe web.
There's an architecture built upon active-x controls and IE instead,
due to export regulations in the past. So
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:44 PM, F Wolff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Vr, 2008-10-31 at 12:17 +0100, Petr Kovar wrote:
What about not using the foot logo, or introducing a new logo, if desirable,
in Thai (and Lao, and perhaps some others) locale only? Would the logo
change be sufficient
How is a foot interpreted in your culture? Do you have the same
issue I have met? In my culture, showing foot is considered rude.
And the foot is not something to impress people who are totally new
to GNOME.
As a mongolian, I don't have anything against foot. And neither to
other people. They
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:38 PM, DULMANDAKH Sukhbaatar
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a mongolian, I don't have anything against foot. And neither to
other people. They get interested what the foot and GNOME is. Just
that.
Thanks. So, it's not a problem for Mongolian.
Personally, I like it,
On Do, 2008-10-30 at 13:27 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
Dear gnome-i18n,
I believe this is an appropriate place to discuss about cultural
conventions.
How is a foot interpreted in your culture? Do you have the same
issue I have met? In my culture, showing foot is considered
Hello,
I've read a few such cultural problems, and can understand why they
came around, but it eventually comes down to the interpretation of
the problem.
*I strongly support an idea to make logo and logo-name
international-isable, translatable and changeable, but I doubt that
this will (ever)
Hello,
2008/10/30 F Wolff [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Do, 2008-10-30 at 13:27 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
Dear gnome-i18n,
I believe this is an appropriate place to discuss about cultural
conventions.
How is a foot interpreted in your culture? Do you have the same
issue I have met?
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Gudmund Areskoug
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think no alternative logos will appear until people start submitting them.
I'm not an artist. So, all I can do is propose ideas. As said somewhere
in the marketing-list, I like Thilo's idea of the gnome hat. Probably,
anywhere about the cultural issue with the GNOME's
foot logo, which may obstruct GNOME promotion in
some way.
In Thai culture, and I'm pretty sure also in the nearby
regions, showing foot is considered rude, as it's the
lowest part of the body. And a variation of the word
'foot' in Thai
Ysgrifennodd Theppitak Karoonboonyanan:
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Gudmund Areskoug
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think no alternative logos will appear until people start submitting them.
I'm not an artist. So, all I can do is propose ideas. As said somewhere
in the marketing-list, I
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan skrev:
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Thomas Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ysgrifennodd Theppitak Karoonboonyanan:
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Gudmund Areskoug
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think no alternative logos will appear until people start submitting
On Do, 2008-10-30 at 16:33 +0100, Axel Hecht wrote:
2008/10/30 F Wolff [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
...
I think I know of at least one team that doesn't translate and promote
Firefox under that brand, since the fox is considered negative in their
culture - I guess for Mozilla there is too much in
Hello Behdad,
Behdad Esfahbod skrev:
Gudmund Areskoug wrote:
Hello,
2008/10/30 F Wolff [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Do, 2008-10-30 at 13:27 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
Dear gnome-i18n,
I believe this is an appropriate place to discuss about cultural
conventions.
How is a foot
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I come from Malaysia. I do understand about the cultural issue regarding
foot in people especially in the South East Asia area.
Currently, from my observation, there is no setback from people in Malaysia
with
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:52 PM, Gudmund Areskoug
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wouldn't an upstyled capital G be sensible, like Sharuzzaman suggested?
Even if this might perhaps mean one upstyled G for every script, it would
certainly be neutral. Unless...
How about this one?
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