Re: GNOME 3 from Fedora user's perpective - request for changes

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Aniruddha wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Mark Curtis wrote: > >> > >> I tried it and it just doesn't work for me. Now I need to take 3 steps > >> for basic tasks that needed 2 step before. When I want to start an > >> application I need to go to the act

Re: GNOME 3 from Fedora user's perpective - request for changes

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Mark Curtis wrote: > So now you're pulling a "no true scottsman"? > What, exactly, makes GNOME Shell "psedo-innovation"[sic] and not true > innovation? > I don't understand why we are continuing this conversation? You can't convince someone something is better

Re: GNOME 3 from Fedora user's perpective - request for changes

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:31 AM, JB wrote: > Sriram Ramkrishna writes: > > > ... > > Well, as I said I had read Fedora users comments on GNOME 3 subject and > they > were mixed, even from long time GNOME users. > I tested it few days ago and I started switching betwe

Re: GNOME 3 from Fedora user's perpective - request for changes

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:21 AM, JB wrote: > Onyeibo Oku writes: > > >... > > Why am I not surprised? Surely all that whining will have its toll on > > spectators who have no idea about the history of the subject matter. > > And that is what bothers me the most. It seems to me that the reaction

Re: want dash to be always-visible dock

On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Adam Dingle wrote: > On 04/03/2011 08:13 AM, Ryan Peters wrote: > >> On 04/03/2011 09:12 AM, Adam Dingle wrote: >> >>> I've been using GNOME Shell recently on Fedora 15. Aesthetically it >>> looks nice, and I like the full-screen application launcher with integrat

Re: gnome-shell port for Apple II

You know Shawn, your timing is slightly suspicious. :-) sri On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Shawn Thompson wrote: > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna > wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Shawn Thompson > > wrote: > >>

Re: gnome-shell port for Apple II

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Shawn Thompson wrote: > Despite the fact that Gnome-shell isn't truly "complete" yet, me and a > friend have actually begun to create a version of it for the Apple II. > Now, you might be thinking, why would you want to change the desktop > of an Apple computer? Di

Re: new calendar idea for gnome-shell

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Federico Mena Quintero < federico.m...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 08:04 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: > > I still think the Calendar should be a separate tab on the overview > > that does all that and more, and that clicking on the date/time would

Re: new calendar idea for gnome-shell

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:49 AM, Pierre Benz wrote: > > Like I said before, the calendar is great as it is, but I do think > that it would be nice to extend the calendar into more than just a > task-lister. > If this idea sounds like crack, please feel free to ignore it. > However, I do feel that

Re: Command completer in runDialog

I will be the first to say you'll pry gnome-do from my cold dead hands.. I use it today in replacement for alt-f2 which I never found useful at all in any of its iterations on GNOME 2. I use it mainly for logging into machines. As a sysadmin, I do a lot of logging in and doing things so it's easy

Re: mutter tiling

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Jeffery Olson wrote: > > Also: have you even given javascript a chance? Please don't let it's > history in the browser bias you against it; it's a marvelous language > with a lot of really interesting features that makes nice, expressive > code possible. I think th

Re: No minimise/maximise (again)

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:58 AM, G. Michael Carter wrote: > I see this "Distraction free computing" come up about gnome 3. Watching a > movie and you need to bring an application, having all applications > disappear and show up as thumbnails on a separate screen seems very > distracting to me.

Re: No minimise/maximise (again)

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Marshall Neill wrote: > > > On 03/14/2011 10:37 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:46 -0500, William Jon McCann wrote: >> >>> Hey, >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Florian Müllner >>> wrote: >>> On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 14:00 +,

Re: 'gnome-suites-core-3.0' - jhbuild:Error during phase configure of gtk+:

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Robert Park wrote: > I was having a similar problem with a different package. > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Andrew Swartz wrote: > >checking for GLIB - version >= 2.27.3... > >*** 'pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0' returned 2.28.3, but GLIB > (2.29.

Re: No minimise/maximise (again)

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 6:36 AM, Jesse Hutton wrote: > Right-click -> minimize. Done. I'm sure you'll be able to bind a key > combination for ultra fast minimizing, too (even faster than shooting for > that minimize button with your mouse pointer). > > > For me it is IRC, I don't want to be caught

Re: Shutdown and restart

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Allan E. Registos < allan.regis...@smpc.steniel.com.ph> wrote: > I think it is more appropriate for now to comment on this list regarding > the subject of Shutdown/Restart instead at bugzilla as Andre Klapper[1] > suggested. > > The thing is, UI freeze has already

Re: Suggestion: Move the workspace tiles to the left side and apps to the right

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > +1 > I made this same suggestion months ago ... but good luck and push on. > Maybe you'll be better favoured. > > > > It's too late to make any visual changes in the shell in this go around. The UI freeze date has already passed so we can't

Re: The logic behind remove "Restart" and hide "Power Off" in User menu.

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Marcus Husar wrote: > But how is it possible to distinguish between dynamic and normal menu > items before pressing a modifier key? How can one even get the idea to > press a modifier key? Which modifier key? How do you want to > illustrate this behaviour? I think

Re: Visual cues

On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Bob Hazard wrote: > Balloon tips drive me crazy. I would rather have the Activities button > glow, bloom or pulsate in some enticing way on first run. > > That would be kind of nifty actually. > -- > Sent from my Amiga > > I used to own one long ago. I think I

Re: Window controls for GNOME 3

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Pat Suwalski wrote: > On 25/02/11 02:20 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > >> So out of curiosity, what sort of tasks do both you and Robert do if >> you don't mind me being nosy? >> > > Normal day-to-day work and developme

Re: Window controls for GNOME 3

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Pat Suwalski wrote: > On 25/02/11 01:46 PM, Robert Park wrote: > >> Agreed. I'm all for experimenting with new ideas, but the close button >> MUST stay. Minimize I never use except by accident so I am happy to >> see it go. Maximize I do use, but I'm happy with t

Re: Window controls for GNOME 3

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: > On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 16:34 -0500, Marina Zhurakhinskaya wrote: > > > While the close operation is common, it's not frequent, and therefore > > might not require visual representation on-screen all the time. > > Huh, I use the Clos

Re: Window controls for GNOME 3

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Owen Taylor wrote: > OK, I promised Jon McCann to write a mail here giving information on my > thoughts on removing the minimize and maximize buttons since I've been > resisting the request of the > Why do people minimize windows? > ===

Re: How to hibernate?

On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Stefano Facchini wrote: > Hi, > > how can I hibernate (aka suspend-to-disk) my laptop? Closing the lid just > causes the system to suspend-to-ram (which is the behavior I want), while > the power button only offers the possibility to turn off the computer, so > whe

Re: More Build Errors

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > On 02/05/2011 04:26 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna > <mailto:s...@ramkrishna.me>> wrote: >> >>Actually it looks like the problem ha

Re: More Build Errors

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > Actually it looks like the problem has been fixed. What you need to do is > do a git pull on your jhbuild area to get the new changes. Jhbuild now > builds from cvs for libxklavier. So I suggest you do that instead of t

Re: More Build Errors

Actually it looks like the problem has been fixed. What you need to do is do a git pull on your jhbuild area to get the new changes. Jhbuild now builds from cvs for libxklavier. So I suggest you do that instead of the work around I stated. sri ___ gno

Re: More Build Errors

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > On 02/05/2011 03:18 AM, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > > According to this page: >> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.desktop/43957 ... this is a >> planned update and should not be affecting jhbuild >> >> However, IT IS AFFECTING jhbuild. >>

Re: missing workflows with gnome-shell

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:33 AM, Alessandro Crismani < alessandro.crism...@gmail.com> wrote: > Il giorno ven, 04/02/2011 alle 12.15 +0100, Milan Bouchet-Valat ha > scritto: > > > I believe fixed number of workspaces are something every developer > > > will have. May be we should try to implement in

Re: Difficulties hovering the mail-notification icon

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Thomas Bouffon wrote: > Hi, > Again a new thing I complain on : what a weener ! ;) > I Like the notification system which is hidden at the bottom, but I think > the right left animation is a bit too much : the vertical one already hides > the notifications, and the

Re: minimize-to-tile would make for a more seamless experience

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:23 AM, William Jon McCann < william.jon.mcc...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Johannes, > > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Johannes Schmid wrote: > > Hi! > > > >> ATM I find myself switching to activities overview very often just to > >> find a minimized (or obscured) window.

Re: Chatting on Gnome-shell

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > > I'd file a bug in bugzilla so that someone working on gnome-shell can >> address it. >> > > Okay, I'll try that > > > Although I'm not *quite* sure if this is gnome-shell or > >> empathy (I assume you;'re using empathy?) >> > > Its definite

Re: Chatting on Gnome-shell

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > After a chat session with a friend while running Gnome-shell, I decided to > illustrate my previous suggestions. I have attached a screenshot of my chat > (with his permission) here: > http://picturepush.com/public/4899595 > > My observations

Re: Another jhbuild Error

If you have ubuntu just get the libgtop devel package. I had the same problem and that fixed it. sri On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > After a 'wasted' 33.49MB download from git here is what I get: > > Package requirements (libgtop-2.0) were not met: > > No package 'libgto

Re: Start a gnome-shell-extensions repository / module

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Owen Taylor wrote: > > > But that's not the experience we want with extensions. Installing an > extension is like modding your car. You've opened the hood and pulled > out some hoses, and now you can plug in the new chip for your engine, > and maybe it will give

Re: Start a gnome-shell-extensions repository / module

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Giovanni Campagna < scampa.giova...@gmail.com> wrote: > In the past few months I've seen many useful extensions published on the > mailing list (docks, app lists, and recently an alt-tab replacer). > Unfortunately, publishing here means that very few users will be

Re: Somes personal opinions, ideas and questions

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Gendre Sebastien wrote: > Hello everybody and happy new year. > > Recently I have seen and tested the new Gnome Shell. > > Woaw, it's very better than the old. O_o Really good job. It fixes many > problems from the old. I also rediscover somes good features. I > sp

Re: Some ideas for multiple monitors

rations to flush out what the right way that would work for gnome-shell and artists like yourself. sri > > Am Mittwoch, den 05.01.2011, 19:29 -0800 schrieb Sriram Ramkrishna: > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Bernhard Posselt > > wrote: > > > >

Re: Some ideas for multiple monitors

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Bernhard Posselt wrote: > > Now if I want to switch an app on the right screen or launch an app, I > neither have a dock nor a panel on that screen, which means that I have > to move my mouse all the way over to the most left spot on my main > screen. Although its n

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 15:23 -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > > If something is compelling they will learn everything about it. Apple > > does a pretty good job with this. If the product is compelling people >

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Bojan Smojver wrote: > > > So, extending this metaphor to the desktop is a no-brainer. Give users > credit - vast majority of them already to this stuff every day. > > I was sitting in a restaurant and overheard two middle aged women somewhere in their early 50s ta

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Bojan Smojver wrote: > On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 15:37 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote: > > What make you think that we are exclusively focused on workspaces? Our > > expectation is really that a lot of users will never use them. > > More people are aware of workspaces these

Re: Preview: how to see all workspaces?

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Bojan Smojver wrote: > If I am not mistaken the "grid mode" you are referring to is gone and is >> replaced by the linear mode, where you only see the current workspace. >> > > I find current cut of gnome-shell much worse than that included in F-14 (I > think the

Re: Minimize Button in GNOME Shell

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Mark Curtis wrote: > I brought this up in October, but there was no response. Hopefully > bringing it up again will get some discussion going. > > As this is about the default theme for GNOME Shell, I'm not sure if this is > the right place to mention it. I just

Re: Gnome Applets

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Sean Dunwoody wrote: > "What kind of weather conditions would it be critically important to be > notified about, in your case? (not as devil's advocate but actually > in your case please)" > > I know this is the most extreme case (that is likely quite rare) but I

Re: Gnome Applets

On 12/09/2010 08:57 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 08:13 -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Also lastly, we have clocks in the real world sitting on a wall so clearly seeing a clock "at a glance" is an acceptable behavior anywhere. another notable feature of the

Re: Gnome Applets

On 12/09/2010 05:33 AM, Mark Curtis wrote: Using that logic, when is it 'critically important' to know the date/time (at a glance)? If you have an appointment it should be in the calendar and notify you when it's relevant. Sure.. when some guy pokes into my office and says that he wants to m

Re: Multiple Monitors, Infinite Edge

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:08 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > yeah, I keep bumping into the message tray problem. I'm wondering if > there is / should be a tracker bug for multiple monitor issues. > > There is already a bug on this https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609258. I have a dual mo

Re: Suggestion: Make a dock from application icons in overview

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Allan E. Registos < allan.regis...@smpc.steniel.com.ph> wrote: > +1 to this idea, less mouse gesture, I don't have to go to activities, just > a quick mouse hover to the left edge of the screen. > In addition if there is an accidental mouse hover to the left, the s

Re: A little personal opinion about Gnome-Shell

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:44 AM, mail wrote: > Hello All > > I think that's a good idea.The "Expo" view of Gnome-Shell is very good and > better than the compiz one. > > I hope that gnome could always have a panel system like gnome-panel . > I don't understand why someone want to "kill" him (not

Re: getting an error while compiling gjc..

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Adam Gignac wrote: > On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 19:41 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > I'm having a little trouble, so I thought I would ask on the mailing list. > I'm going through the gnome-shell jhbuidl build and I have a problem in the &g

getting an error while compiling gjc..

I'm having a little trouble, so I thought I would ask on the mailing list. I'm going through the gnome-shell jhbuidl build and I have a problem in the configure stage of gjs. Basically, it complains that I don't have a "firefox-js.pc" file. Now from googling around this seems related to xulrunne

Re: Gnome-shell - some usability problems I found

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Allan E. Registos < allan.regis...@smpc.steniel.com.ph> wrote: > *On the other hand, when I am searching for an app that I'm unfamiliar > with I use either the keyboard shortcut or I roll over the icons. I don't > think that's any worse than what we have.* > * > *

Re: Gnome-shell - some usability problems I found

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Allan E. Registos < allan.regis...@smpc.steniel.com.ph> wrote: > I don't know if this was discussed already, I understand that the > developers are busy, and so we "users" are also busy. But I will try to > voice my concern over the APPLICATION menu(or whatever it

Re: Gnome-shell - some usability problems I found

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Luke Morton wrote: > On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 18:54 +0200, Maciej Piechotka wrote: > > Working with workspace is harder. When I had gnome-panel I had about 8 > > workspaces constantly opened and I had 1:1 relationship between tasks > > and workspaces. Now I use one wor

Re: Re: An intention note

On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Kao Chen wrote: > I have read the Gnome-Shell documents but he is too long. > The document is too detail to be well understand. > We can't see the relation between concepts and technical solutions IMHO. > > GNOME marketing team is coming up with something that sh

Re: Gnome-Shell building fails on Arch Linux

Did you try jhbuild build gnome-shell -a -c? sri On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Alessandro Crismani < alessandro.crism...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I'm using Arch Linux and I would like to build a bleeding edge snapshot of > gnome-shell, however jhbuild fail at step 3 with the foll

Re: Applets design

I like your system monitor one as it seems good for the regular user. I can't help but whine that I can't have my own system monitor back since I tend to have the memory/cpu/network monitors which have proven invaluable when something is wrong with the system since i see a sea of red because netwo

Re: Re: A task panel

One of the nice things about software freedom is that you're able to write the patch and someone might pick it up and apply if there is demand. Ubuntu, and other distros can apply your patch. That said, I think there is talk about an extensions system which we could put these together. It makes

Re: Re: my gnome-shell proposal

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:10 PM, wrote: > Hi, thanx for your comments on my design. Although I disagree with some of > your comments, but thats what this is all about eh... a discussion > Read my following replies. cheers. Indeed :) > > > On , Sriram Ramkrishna w

Re: my gnome-shell proposal

Hi there, First off, thanks for taking so much interest in doing this. A couple of comments on your proposal. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 5:58 PM, wrote: > I have some designs drawn up... forgive me if it is not professional > looking... but my ideas are good... I will give the links to the desig

Re: gnome shell (aplication)mockup

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Samuel Arthur Wright Illingworth < ma...@mazz0.com> wrote: > From some discussions around the app designs we didn't feel the >> category system was very successful, and wanted to move away from it. >> >> One of the newer inkscape mockups has a grid, and I think th

Re: Gnome-Shell Proposed Mock Up

> > > GO JAVA! > > I'm totally willing to start a fight over coffee. :-) sri ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list

Re: Mockup/Design for Browsing of Applications

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Owen Taylor wrote: > On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 13:19 -0600, Apoorva Sharma wrote: > > After following the discussion in "All Gnome Shell Developers," I had > > an idea to solve some of the problems that were discussed - namely, > > the problems concerning the applicati

Re: Re : interapplication communication

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:02 PM, David Hamm wrote: > @_@ i really need to remember to cc this stuff. Sorry Owen for the repeat. > > > "In terms of a task list - I think *not having a task list* is one the > | defining characteristics of the current design. Once you add something > | like a task l

Re: All GNOME Shell Developers.

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 2:58 AM, Reiner Jung wrote: > Hello Domen, > > this top menu thing is not that confusing you are just not used to it. > This is one thing most people have to learn a bit when they switch from > Windows to MacOS. > > I use OSX fairly often now since it is my work laptop thes

Re: All GNOME Shell Developers.

2009/12/18 Mark Curtis > Well perhaps it would be best to tackle the individual issues... > > I've linked to previous threads on my main issue with GNOME Shell > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/2009-December/msg00052.html > > Danté Ashton who started this particular discussion

Re: All GNOME Shell Developers.

It only took about 1 day for me. It was very natural for me. Taking one person's impressions and then saying the whole idea sucks makes a lousy argument against the gnome-shell concept. sri On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Денис Черемисов wrote: > Few weeks to get comfortable? Man, are you cra

Re: Gnome-Shell and Zeitgeist...

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Ryan Peters wrote: > > In all honesty, I prefer AWN 0.4 to Docky. Faster, lightweight, doesn't > use Mono (main reason why it's so fast and lightweight ;) ) and it already > has a large community of users/developers. Check it out > here.

Re: Trying the shell

Like most things, present a good argument with good data and the ui will change. We are trying to provide the best user experience here. sri On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Mark Curtis wrote: > So basically "We don't care what you want, we're doing it this way"? > > > Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009

Re: May be you refuse from overlay & other thoughts/comments

I just checked the current gnome-shell now allows you to delete windows from there. I don't think you can resize since the view is in "thumbnail" so it doesn't make sense to resize it there. They just have an X over the application which is better than right click. Overall you want to present as

Re: Overview menu

Only testing can really determine what is the appropriate setup. I'm particularly a fan of the title of the window showing up on the bar. Mostly because, I'm not really looking at it. I'm too focused on the window I'm currently looking at it. With the window title colored that's all the hint I

Re: Overview menu

Well whether you have an icon or not, you're still using 25-48 pixels (whatever it is I don't remember) height so it's not that much saved space. Plus, when a new user starts using the system "Activities" will probably alert them as a good place to start since it's the only word in the whole deskto

Re: Extensions, Applets, ETC

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Colin Walters wrote: > > 3) "Applets": No plans for additional items on the panel at this time. > However, we have experimented with a sidebar for larger > "widgets/gadgets". I think probably what will work out a bit better > is a dedicated desktop for them. T

Re: raindrop messaging integration

I went and built raindrop just to see what it can do. I haven't quite gotten a good grip on it yet. It seems though that integration with Zeitgrist might have some advantages. I don't know what a visual shell and raindrop would do other than notifications? sri On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:35 AM,

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