[google-appengine] Re: Frameworks on GAE

2012-07-22 Thread Thomas Wiradikusuma
Hi Phil, Coming from Java world, I'm very much spoiled with frameworks. When I first created an app for GAE, I used Spring. But due to unacceptable start-up time, I ditched it and just use Servlet+JSP. I miss a lot of convenience (esp. Spring Security), but luckily GAE provides other goodies,

[google-appengine] Re: Frameworks on GAE

2012-07-23 Thread Per
I doubt that Google will commit to any official statement. So here's my 2 cents, from a low-usage, rather complex B2B application. "Frameworks are okay, to a certain degree, but be prepared to rework if you're successful" We're using one heavy framework (Apache Wicket) and plenty of the regul

[google-appengine] Re: Frameworks on GAE

2012-07-24 Thread Bill Graham
I have been struggling with the same issue of whether GAE is suitable for business apps or not (by business apps, I am thinking of order processing, credit processing system, shipping systems, billing, etc. eCommerce, etc.). For the past 10 years I have built web-based SaaS applications and t

RE: [google-appengine] Re: Frameworks on GAE

2012-07-22 Thread Drake
Thomas, How do you access the datastore? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsub

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Frameworks on GAE

2012-07-23 Thread Ricardo Bánffy
That's an interesting comment. I had the impression that with Java you would have only a small surface that's actually exposed to App Engine and porting would be very, very simple (with the occasional required profiling because it is a very distributed system). With Python, it's very hard to avoid

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Frameworks on GAE

2012-07-23 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Per wrote: > > I doubt that Google will commit to any official statement. So here's my 2 > cents, from a low-usage, rather complex B2B application. "Frameworks are > okay, to a certain degree, but be prepared to rework if you're successful" While I certainly woul

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Frameworks on GAE

2012-07-23 Thread Thomas Wiradikusuma
Hi Brandon, I use both Objectify and low-level access. Objectify for most "fixed-field" entities, and low-level for small entities (for session, as i override GAE's Java session) and entities where it can have 30+ fields but only 5+ filled in average (but need to store them in 1 entity since pe

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Frameworks on GAE

2012-08-06 Thread Steve James
Look likes there's a niche for a new framework. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/9RiGLtk17W4J. To post to this group, send email to

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Frameworks on GAE

2012-08-06 Thread Steve James
Jeff... regarding your Objectify optimisations... I'd be interested in details if you have any to hand please :-) I've personally made the introspection stage lazy load (moving it to trigger inside the getMetadata methods)... it's probably limited in scope to my specific needs (I'm not using an

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Frameworks on GAE

2012-08-06 Thread Emanuele Ziglioli
What I've taken away from these long threads is that: 1. GAE is already faster than other AWS and others when it spins up new instances 2. GAE's job is harder when there's a lot of initialization to do and lots of jars to scan. Precompilation helps but not enough for large apps 3. the scheduler d