I have been struggling with the same issue of whether GAE is suitable for business apps or not (by business apps, I am thinking of order processing, credit processing system, shipping systems, billing, etc. eCommerce, etc.). For the past 10 years I have built web-based SaaS applications and there is hard to envision building applications that have hundreds of users divided into many dozens of roles that govern access to many hundreds of various parts of the application with lots of workflow management without a framework.
I have no problem being able to develop my own user and permissions management system, but since almost everyone developing business applications needs this same functionality, it appears to be a great redundancy of reinventing the wheel by everyone. Almost every other application platform has a very active eco-system where developers make their modules available to others.Having said that, I don't favor a single comprehensive framework that attempts to do everything, but rather an approach where I can pick and chose which functionality/modules I want to add to my application. I would imagine there would be a place where developers would share such functionality and one could just download the code and then include it in the applicable files. This would apply not only to the core of a framework that deals with users, roles and permissions, but also to plug-in functionality such as discussion forum comments, file (Excel) import/export, CRUD scaffolding, etc. I also noticed that almost everyone who had been trying to build a framework on GAE seems to have given up. It is scary committing to build a web development business around GAE when one does not know if this platform is going to survive or whether the powers to be at Google are committed to protecting the investment of their business partners in their technology (in other words, ensuring that evolution provides a path for those who developed on previous versions to migrate to the newer versions relatively easily). Sooo. I hope someone will tell me where the GAE developers share their modules and building blocks and where I can find some tutorials about how to connect these building blocks to build a solid foundation to almost any web application because otherwise I really like much of what I see at GAE. On Sunday, July 22, 2012 5:32:41 AM UTC-4, glimmung wrote: > > Hi All, > > I've been reading, initially with amusement but more recently with > concern, the "dialogue" (for want of a better word) between Brandom Wirtz > and Jeff Schnitzer re. startup time/optimisation. Brandom has now made > the following very strong statement: "NO FRAMEWORKS. NONE. Deal with it." > > This leads me to ask the Google team for their position on this: Is it > your position that GAE is an unsuitable platform for framework-driven apps? > > I'm using a framework, and trust the framework's authors to optimise their > part of the piece as much as possible, but I'm paid to solve business > problems, and am not about to dive into that timesink of esoterica. It's > outside my skill-set, and properly so in my view. I've only really tinkered > with GAE so far, and this is putting me off investing more time in what is > starting to look like a risky platform for me. > > So Google peeps, if I want to write B2B apps using a framework, am I your > market or not? > > Or is it your position that the low-level optimisation to balance start-up > time and hosting cost will always be required? > > > -- > > Cheers, > > PhilK > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/6Pxstk-bnmcJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
