[google-appengine] Re: Is it possible to sell a CMS hosted on Google App Engine without the code being visible ?

2010-05-19 Thread Robin
Exactly, anything can be considered a service, and the one service obviously not allowed it reselling. Reselling in my books equates to not adding value on top of App Engine. It's really just rebranding. Uploading someone else's static files onto App Engine (including configuring app.yaml and so o

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Is it possible to sell a CMS hosted on Google App Engine without the code being visible ?

2010-05-19 Thread Baz
There is a gray area. Ikai talked about it, and I believe you fall right in the middle of it. Anything can be considered a "service" by the English definition, including, as you mentioned, simply uploading the files. But I'm pretty sure you can't open up a website offering "upload services" for $30

[google-appengine] Re: Is it possible to sell a CMS hosted on Google App Engine without the code being visible ?

2010-05-18 Thread Robin
I don't see how your first example could be construed as reselling at all. I do essentially exactly that for a couple of my own personal websites. It's free and the pages load incredibly fast compared to other hosting I've used. If a client is willing to pay me X$/month to host their static files o

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Is it possible to sell a CMS hosted on Google App Engine without the code being visible ?

2010-05-18 Thread Baz
The gray area seems to depend, partly, on the complexity of the app. If, for example, you build a 1 page static business-card website that you host on GAE and charge $30/month for, that can be construed as selling hosting. On the other hand, if your application is very large and complex and provide

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Is it possible to sell a CMS hosted on Google App Engine without the code being visible ?

2010-05-18 Thread Ikai L (Google)
That's allowed. We're more permissive than restrictive with the terms of service. Unless you are reselling the baseline App Engine service, you should not be in violation. You are in the clear if you provide App Engine support, wrote an App Engine application, or sell access to some service that ru

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Is it possible to sell a CMS hosted on Google App Engine without the code being visible ?

2010-05-17 Thread 'Αλκης Ευλογημένος
Yes and yes. This is the model employed by the Google Apps Marketplace. - alkis On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Baz wrote: > To be painfully clear, if I develop a stand-alone app that a customer will > pay me to deploy an instance of onto their own appengine account (with no > talking betwee

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Is it possible to sell a CMS hosted on Google App Engine without the code being visible ?

2010-05-17 Thread Baz
To be painfully clear, if I develop a stand-alone app that a customer will pay me to deploy an instance of onto their own appengine account (with no talking between other instances of the app) - that is allowed, correct? And on top of it, they can't pull the code since I did the entire deployment a

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Is it possible to sell a CMS hosted on Google App Engine without the code being visible ?

2010-05-17 Thread Ikai L (Google)
You're absolutely welcome to build a web service and sell access to the service. In fact - we encourage it. The terms prevent you from reselling *hosting* service for code - you cannot sell the ability for users to write code and push it to App Engine servers, then bill them for it. You are free t

[google-appengine] Re: Is it possible to sell a CMS hosted on Google App Engine without the code being visible ?

2010-05-13 Thread hawkett
I'm a bit unclear here as well. It's ok to build a web app, and charge users to access it, right? e.g. $5 per user per month type thing? Taking this a little further, if you want to charge users based on their resource usage (assuming you write code to keep track of that in some way), is that ok?

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Is it possible to sell a CMS hosted on Google App Engine without the code being visible ?

2010-05-12 Thread Ikai L (Google)
It's not a violation for a developer to ask an organization to create an account and charge for service to push versions to that application. In this case it would be clear that the developer is charging for consulting time, and the contract with the customer would state that the provided code will

[google-appengine] Re: Is it possible to sell a CMS hosted on Google App Engine without the code being visible ?

2010-05-12 Thread pythono
Maybe I'm a bit confused by the original question, but I always viewed the ability to hide source code as a major plus for using appengine. For independent developers, who don't have access to IP lawyers, this enables them to avoid the piracy problem entirely. I think the scenario he mentioned, ex

[google-appengine] Re: Is it possible to sell a CMS hosted on Google App Engine without the code being visible ?

2010-05-12 Thread Ankur Gupta
Thanks a lot for the answer. I guess it makes sense to go the Private server route then. Cheers Ankur On May 12, 8:19 pm, "Ikai L (Google)" wrote: > I'm going to preface this with a warning that I am not a lawyer, this is > just my interpretation of the Terms of Service. > > It could be a possib