[GreenYouth] Re: Movement and NGOs

2008-05-10 Thread Abdulkareem U K
The link given in Murali's last post is Surjit Bhalla's Web response (Less than a grain of truthhttp://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20051021fname=surjitbhallasid=1) to Sainath's article Lost the compass?http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20051017fname=CP+Sainathsid=1 appeared in

[GreenYouth] Re: Movement and NGOs

2008-05-05 Thread Afthab Ellath
*The Lords of Capital Decree Mass Death by Starvation* *By Glen Ford * 30 April, 2008 *Black Agenda Reporthttp://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=589Itemid=1 * * No amount of emergency aid is sufficient to make up for the wild price rises that have already

[GreenYouth] Re: Movement and NGOs

2008-05-05 Thread Afthab Ellath
*The Challenge Of Modern Slavery * *By Loretta Napoleoni * 01 May, 2008 *Countercurrents.org* *S*lavery is in our refrigerators. From fruit to beef, from sugar to coffee, slave labor brings food to our tables. Miguel, a Mexican slave freed by the Coalition of Immokalee Workers, a US

[GreenYouth] Re: Movement and NGOs

2008-05-04 Thread Bobby Kunhu
I break my promised silence to ask only one question - who does not work within ideological frameworks? S A Aiyyar, Bobby Kunhu or Murali Warrier. Sanath stands out only beacuse he is in the field when writing his journalistic pieces as against Mr Aiyyar. I would rather let others respond rather

[GreenYouth] Re: Movement and NGOs

2008-05-04 Thread Murali K Warier
Let me add this one comment, perhaps the last in this thread: Sainath's problem is not that he frames issues in an ideological frame work. Nor is it that he sensationalizes issues way beyond the limits. The issue is that he dishes out wrong data and outright lies as eternal truth :

[GreenYouth] Re: Movement and NGOs

2008-05-03 Thread Murali K Warier
You dont need to read the NSS or Economic Survey of India or the annual UNDP Human development report, just read any newspaper regularly and you find stories of food crisis across the world post neo-liberalism. It hs become acute especially now.. Again, where is the causality? Food crises and

[GreenYouth] Re: Movement and NGOs

2008-05-02 Thread Murali K Warier
To claim Swami Aiyar's credentials based on his Oxonian MA smacks of colonial hangover and academic snobbery. To claim Swami Aiyar's credentials based on his Oxonian MA smacks of colonial hangover and academic snobbery. Sorry, you don't seem to have read what I wrote: *At any rate, I value him

[GreenYouth] Re: Movement and NGOs

2008-05-02 Thread Bobby Kunhu
I think Afthabs post and Sainaths interview I posted here sufficiently counters your arguments - they do resound arguments put forward by the Chicago school and unfortunately unlike Friedman's presumptions the world is not flat - and I for one - do not want to be part of a process that exclude a

[GreenYouth] Re: Movement and NGOs

2008-04-28 Thread Bobby Kunhu
Dear Murali To claim Swami Aiyar's credentials based on his Oxonian MA smacks of colonial hangover and academic snobbery. My comparison with Sainath is a simple one - Sainath has travelled extensively in the hinterland and his reportage is based on findings on the field both of them being

[GreenYouth] Re: Movement and NGOs

2008-04-06 Thread C.K. Vishwanath
Look at indian social and economic scenario. India's new developmental path predicts a neo-liberal utopia,majority of india's upwardly mobile middle class is in this romantic utopia. But,we are seeing the brutual living condition of india's poor.They are losing the even minimal safety nets of

[GreenYouth] Re: Movement and NGOs

2008-04-06 Thread C.K. Vishwanath
That is the official report of india govt(arjun sengupta). What is witnessing in india.?starvation deaths,ethnocide/genocide of adivasis,peasants suicides. Peasant resistances,naxalite movement of dandakaranaya belt,tribal assertions,new social movements etc?Why do these movements come to

[GreenYouth] Re: Movement and NGOs

2008-04-06 Thread Bobby Kunhu
One more factual error in your mail, Swami Aiyar is a economics journalist and not an economist - consulting editor to Economic times and a widely read column - this does not make a claim for empirical research, but for opinion. A very typical Indian dominant caste arrogance that celebrates APJ

[GreenYouth] Re: Movement and NGOs

2008-04-05 Thread Bobby Kunhu
Dear Murali Like I mentioned earliet, it might be relevant for you to step out of swaminomics to sainath for instance. What is the leftist discourse you are talking about and who are the straw men? Pleae look at he Gini - coefficient for India in the past decade (computed by the World Bank) and

[GreenYouth] Re: Movement and NGOs

2008-04-04 Thread Murali K Warier
NGOistan is the abdication of the state, and EU is the superstate, that imposes its own system through the back door. EU too in a way represents abdication of the state. Both NGOistan and EU are non-democratic in nature, though the latter has a parliament of sorts. However, the pernicious effects

[GreenYouth] Re: Movement and NGOs

2008-04-04 Thread Murali K Warier
The gape is widening due to these aggressive neo-liberal policies(argusengupta's report on unorganised sector). I often smile it this kind of straw-man attacks on neo-liberalism, which is a regular feature of Leftist discourse. The assumption here is that India has instituted wide ranging

[GreenYouth] Re: Movement and NGOs

2008-04-04 Thread Santhosh Kumar
Dear Murali, Who is behind corruption, Poor people or Ambani likes? Who is taking over fertile lands from farmers, forests from adivasis? Where does the wealth created - in the minds of Ambanies or Tatas? Or the natural resources which belong to all? I do not agree with left critique at all. But

[GreenYouth] Re: Movement and NGOs

2008-04-03 Thread Murali K Warier
Without doubt, NGOistan is a bad idea. So are supra-governments like the EU. Best regards. Murali On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:12 AM, C.K. Vishwanath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --

[GreenYouth] Re: Movement and NGOs

2008-04-03 Thread Bobby Kunhu
*Caveat - *stray is a bad word intentionally used, where the presumption of superiority of tradition is involved. stray in the view of organised politics from the CPIM to the world bank On 03/04/2008, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am confused EU is the result of an embedded poltical

[GreenYouth] Re: Movement and NGOs

2008-04-02 Thread salimtk
vishwanath did'nt say the example of any ngo, which started a movement in the tribal belts. movement referred here by dileep is political movement, i suppose. the synthesis of a political movement will create political subjectivity of the people who carry out that movement. in this way, which ngo

[GreenYouth] Re: Movement and NGOs

2008-04-02 Thread C.K. Vishwanath
can you check EPW?(march 18,20004 where i responded to D.Bandopadyaya's article-NGOs and Tribals) --- salimtk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vishwanath did'nt say the example of any ngo, which started a movement in the tribal belts. movement referred here by dileep is political movement, i

[GreenYouth] Re: Movement and NGOs

2008-04-01 Thread C.K. Vishwanath
Especially,in cpim politics,there is a confusion about NSM.But,Outside the ruling pockets, they are supporting NSMs.In WSF ,cpim is vey active along with various new social movements.The class politics of cpim can't accept the NSM fully.The legacy of the nsm is very different from this left