Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread Deredere Galbraith
Well accurate or not I like the pattern. I think I am going to make it just to sleep in. B and C look so cute and romantic. :-) Greetings, Deredere ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 00:54 03/05/2007, you wrote: This reminds me of... One thing I am sure of is that the armseye of the upper garments will not be as high as the originals nor the bottoms as capacious . These would grace any stage quite nicely. Owning originals that are Not comfortable for actual modern

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread LLOYD MITCHELL
and occasion presents. (Thank you Fran!!) KSM - Original Message - From: Deredere Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 2:15 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061 Well accurate or not I like the pattern. I think I am

Re: now costume design, was Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread Cheryldee
In a message dated 5/2/2007 6:54:45 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course, actor safety, comfort, and the ability to do quick- changes, dance moves, sword fights, or whatever else needs to happen in the show also often have an impact. I once draped an HMS

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread MaggiRos
Theatrical costumes need to meet different demands than reenactment costumes, and theatrical costumes often need to be made on a tight deadline to boot. Comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges, and expecting complete historical accuracy of theatre costumes is absurd.

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread Andrew T Trembley
On May 3, 2007, at 11:09 AM, MaggiRos wrote: Not that this keeps us from screaming over the costumes in something like The Tudors. The budget demands of a show like don't explain some of the design choices they made. I'm willing to give historical fantasy more leeway than something that

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread LLOYD MITCHELL
Message - From: Andrew T Trembley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061 On May 3, 2007, at 11:09 AM, MaggiRos wrote: Not that this keeps us from screaming over the costumes

RE: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread Sharon Collier
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MaggiRos Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 11:09 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061 Theatrical costumes need to meet different demands than reenactment costumes, and theatrical costumes often need to be made

RE: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread Sharon Collier
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew T Trembley Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 1:02 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061 On May 3, 2007, at 11:09 AM, MaggiRos wrote: Not that this keeps us from screaming over the costumes in something like

RE: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread Robin Netherton
On Thu, 3 May 2007, Sharon Collier wrote: If you film in Hampton Court Palace or an authentic mock up of it on a sound stage, the costumes should be stylistically the same. If the show is filmed with a more fantasy feel to the sets, I can accept more leeway in the costumes. It jars less if

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-03 Thread Andrew T Trembley
On May 3, 2007, at 3:30 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: It occurs to me that the productions that get the most criticism on this list are historical drama, particularly those that purport to be realistic (say, Elizabeth, which offered film-linked packets for school history programs as part of

[h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Dawn
Can anybody tell me, roughly, what year this pattern might represent? http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.B5061=xTI=10001page=4 Is that Victorian? 20th century? Something else? I kind of like the nightgown. Dawn ___

RE: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Kim Baird
NOT Victorian or Edwardian. Kim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:39 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061 Can anybody tell me, roughly, what year this pattern might

RE: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Abel, Cynthia
5061 NOT Victorian or Edwardian. Kim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:39 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061 Can anybody tell me, roughly, what year this pattern

RE: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread otsisto
I am not 100% sure but I believe this to be Late Edwardian, probably around the 1910s or 20s. There is a very slim chance of it being Regency but I have my doubts. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Catherine Olanich Raymond
On Wednesday 02 May 2007 11:38 am, Dawn wrote: Can anybody tell me, roughly, what year this pattern might represent? http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.B5061=xTI=1 0001page=4 Is that Victorian? 20th century? Something else? I kind of like the nightgown. I think

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Elizabeth Walpole
- Original Message - From: Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 1:38 AM Subject: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061 Can anybody tell me, roughly, what year this pattern might represent? http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread LLOYD MITCHELL
, these would do quite nicely if done in the usual muslin of their counterparts. Kathleen - Original Message - From: Catherine Olanich Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread LLOYD MITCHELL
PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061 - Original Message - From: Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 1:38 AM Subject: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061 Can anybody

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Sylvia Rognstad
On May 2, 2007, at 5:54 PM, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: This reminds me of... One thing I am sure of is that the armseye of the upper garments will not be as high as the originals nor the bottoms as capacious . These would grace any stage quite nicely. That sounds like a veiled insult to

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Carmen Beaudry
This reminds me of... One thing I am sure of is that the armseye of the upper garments will not be as high as the originals nor the bottoms as capacious . These would grace any stage quite nicely. Owning originals that are Not comfortable for actual modern wear, in a

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Carmen Beaudry
On May 2, 2007, at 5:54 PM, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: This reminds me of... One thing I am sure of is that the armseye of the upper garments will not be as high as the originals nor the bottoms as capacious . These would grace any stage quite nicely. That sounds like a veiled insult to

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Sylvia Rognstad
On May 2, 2007, at 6:11 PM, Carmen Beaudry wrote: On May 2, 2007, at 5:54 PM, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: This reminds me of... One thing I am sure of is that the armseye of the upper garments will not be as high as the originals nor the bottoms as capacious . These would grace any stage

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Paula Praxis
From: Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061 Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:18:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Received: from www1.indra.com

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread LLOYD MITCHELL
PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061 On May 2, 2007, at 5:54 PM, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: This reminds me of... One thing I am sure of is that the armseye of the upper garments

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Catherine Olanich Raymond
On Wednesday 02 May 2007 8:18 pm, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: On May 2, 2007, at 6:11 PM, Carmen Beaudry wrote: On May 2, 2007, at 5:54 PM, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: [snip] I sure didn't take it as such. Melusine (who started out in theater and still does theater costume part time) You didn't?

now costume design, was Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Melanie Schuessler
I didn't either. As both a historian and a costume designer, I see no reason to be embarrassed about the very good reasons why accuracy is often compromised on the stage. I still groan when I watch films with terribly bastardized fashions, but I can often tell why they did it. Telling

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Saragrace Knauf
things, Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman! Sg - Original Message - From: Sylvia Rognstadmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costumemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061 You didn't? Am I just being

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Sylvia Rognstad
On May 2, 2007, at 6:28 PM, Paula Praxis wrote: F On May 2, 2007, at 6:11 PM, Carmen Beaudry wrote: On May 2, 2007, at 5:54 PM, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: This reminds me of... One thing I am sure of is that the armseye of the upper garments will not be as high as the originals nor the

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread LLOYD MITCHELL
Subject: Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061 This reminds me of... One thing I am sure of is that the armseye of the upper garments will not be as high as the originals nor the bottoms as capacious . These would grace any stage quite nicely. Owning originals

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Sylvia Rognstad
On May 2, 2007, at 6:30 PM, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: Note quite. Having been a costume designer for over 30 years, I long ago learned to suit the desired look with a present aesthetic...ie., comfort. For the reinactor, how many of them are going to be parading about in their undies meant for

Re: now costume design, was Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Carmen Beaudry
I didn't either. As both a historian and a costume designer, I see no reason to be embarrassed about the very good reasons why accuracy is often compromised on the stage. I still groan when I watch films with terribly bastardized fashions, but I can often tell why they did it. Telling

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Carmen Beaudry
I didn't go so far as to read the instructions. Alas... Presently working in miniature, I struggle nightly in trying to create my doll costumes using all the pieces that would have made the shapes if I were doing them for people; it is hard indeed to compromise, but I have not yet bent to

Re: now costume design, was Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Melanie Schuessler
On May 2, 2007, at 8:45 PM, Carmen Beaudry wrote: I didn't either. As both a historian and a costume designer, I see no reason to be embarrassed about the very good reasons why accuracy is often compromised on the stage. I still groan when I watch films with terribly bastardized

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread LLOYD MITCHELL
Message - From: Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061 On May 2, 2007, at 6:11 PM, Carmen Beaudry wrote: On May 2, 2007, at 5:54 PM, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread LLOYD MITCHELL
Beaudry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061 I didn't go so far as to read the instructions. Alas... Presently working in miniature, I struggle nightly in trying to create my doll

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Carmen Beaudry
Chuckle...And I bet you didn't try to enter that one in a contest? Except, perhaps And how many Zippers did you manage to get in on this one? Makes me think of the first time I remember the leather store on the board walk of Provincetown !! Kathleen Nope, and you couldn't see the zippers

RE: now costume design, was Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Sharon Collier
Of Carmen Beaudry Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 5:45 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: now costume design, was Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061 I didn't either. As both a historian and a costume designer, I see no reason to be embarrassed about the very good reasons why accuracy

Re: now costume design, was Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Susan Data-Samtak
On May 2, 2007, at 8:49 PM, Melanie Schuessler wrote: Of course, actor safety, comfort, and the ability to do quick-changes, dance moves, sword fights, or whatever else needs to happen in the show also often have an impact. Out of lurkdom for a moment. First, thanks for all the insight

Re: now costume design, was Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread LLOYD MITCHELL
(or whatever)generation ... Kathleen - Original Message - From: Carmen Beaudry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:45 PM Subject: Re: now costume design, was Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061 I didn't either. As both

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread LLOYD MITCHELL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061 Chuckle...And I bet you didn't try to enter that one in a contest? Except, perhaps And how many Zippers did you manage to get in on this one? Makes

Re: now costume design, was Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

2007-05-02 Thread Carmen Beaudry
From: Sharon Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] She wrote a book, too, Geisha, By Liza Dalby ISBN #0-394-72893-9. Mine was published by Vintage Books, division of Random House, in 1985. Originally published Berkeley: University of California Press 1983 Yep, I've got that one, also the book she