RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers.

2005-08-12 Thread Roy Gaber
A note of interest is the reason: Older systems were quite limited on memory so it was necessary to use the shortened versions of the commands. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 10:44 PM To: ha

Re: [Hardhats-members] "Design Patterns" Aren't - slides

2005-08-12 Thread Gregory Woodhouse
Very interesting! I haven't had much of a chance to look at the site (yet), but I'm intrigued. ===Gregory Woodhouse[EMAIL PROTECTED]"Without the requirement of mathematical aesthetics a great many discoveries would not have been made."-- Albert Einstein On Aug 12, 2005, at 5:19 PM, list repository

Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Imaging FDA and NonCommercial Use Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: TIU Interface for Document Scanning

2005-08-12 Thread Nancy Anthracite
Sorry Thurman, but I would like to contribute one last gasp on this thread. And Rubin, I thought you were doing better at trying to avoid that stroke, but I fear you are falling off the wagon! As I recall, you are a pharmacist, so it is understandable that you are knowledgeable and passionat

[Hardhats-members] Re: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers.

2005-08-12 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
M is made more visually complicated because people love to use "F" instead of "FOR", "S" instead of "SET" etc. I code all in full command names and make code that looks quite similar to other languages. Kevin On 8/12/05, Alberto Odor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been able to link it to m

Re: [Hardhats-members] "Design Patterns" Aren't - slides

2005-08-12 Thread list repository
Greg, Perhaps you'll find the following open source projects useful... http://www.activegrid.com/what.php http://www.activegrid.com/how.php http://www.activegrid.com/try.php http://www.python.org -List On 8/12/05, Greg Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Some of you may know that I like Java, a

[Hardhats-members] "Design Patterns" Aren't - slides

2005-08-12 Thread Greg Woodhouse
Some of you may know that I like Java, and I like the design pattern concept, too, but I find it frustrating that Java programs are often longer and more complex than they need to be, and the concept of a design pattern is frustratingly elusive. I've thought for some time that they are best underst

Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Imaging FDA and NonCommercial Use Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: TIU Interface for Document Scanning

2005-08-12 Thread James Gray
Perhaps a little venting never hurts, but I do not think Ruben's rant qualifies as "a little venting". Such inflamatory words can and do hurt. - Original Message - From: "Mark Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vi

Re: [Hardhats-members] Fw: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers.

2005-08-12 Thread Mark Street
Heck, I couldn't even download it. Same error as Kevin T. Filled out the form supporting a Linux version. Boom, error screen a foreign language Move on On Friday 12 August 2005 2:23 pm, Alberto Odor wrote: > I installed it in two different workstations. In Windows XP Pro + SP1 it > c

RE: [Hardhats-members] Fw: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers.

2005-08-12 Thread Alberto Odor
I have been able to link it to my GT.M installation and open the .m files. They look terribly complicated. IHAVE TO LEARN MUMPS. Alberto -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Greg Woodhouse Enviado el: Viernes, 12 de Agosto de 2005 03:50 p.m. Para

RE: [Hardhats-members] Fw: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers.

2005-08-12 Thread Greg Woodhouse
Well, kernel32.dll has to do with thread management. It's most likely a Windows issue, and not a problem with the product. --- Alberto Odor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't tell. This is the output to the error log: > > > > > CHECKSUM="0x640C2BE4" > BIN_FILE_VERSION="4.5.0.0" BIN_PRO

RE: [Hardhats-members] Fw: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers.

2005-08-12 Thread Alberto Odor
I can't tell. This is the output to the error log: Alberto -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Greg Woodhouse Enviado el: Viernes, 12 de Agosto de 2005 03:29 p.m. Para: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Asunto: RE: [Hardha

RE: [Hardhats-members] Fw: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers.

2005-08-12 Thread Greg Woodhouse
--- Alberto Odor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I installed it in two different workstations. In Windows XP Pro + SP1 > it > crashes on startup. What happens? Is it a DLL issue? In Windows XP Pro + SP2 it runs OK. > Now I have to see how to connect it to the linux GT.M box to open > some > prog

RE: [Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Imaging FDA and NonCommercial Use

2005-08-12 Thread Greg Woodhouse
Yes, pleae. It is only natural to expect that many of the members of this list are here because they are concerned about the cost of healthcare and want to do what they can to make healthcare more accessible. We DO need to be tolerant of one another's views and sometimes be willing to accept disagr

RE: [Hardhats-members] Fw: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers.

2005-08-12 Thread Alberto Odor
I installed it in two different workstations. In Windows XP Pro + SP1 it crashes on startup. In Windows XP Pro + SP2 it runs OK. Now I have to see how to connect it to the linux GT.M box to open some programs. Alberto -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En n

RE: [Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Imaging FDA and NonCommercial Use Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: TIU Interface for Document Scanning

2005-08-12 Thread Thurman Pedigo
I apprehend feelings run deep on this issue, and it isn't my first time in this territory. If one wishes to propose controversial stands, one needs thick skin. I feel I do need to declare my relationship to pharmaceuticals. I own no pharmaceuticals stock or any other financial position for at leas

Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Imaging FDA and NonCommercial Use Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: TIU Interface for Document Scanning

2005-08-12 Thread Ruben Safir
> > Funny that you should bring this up as an example. > Just today I had a patient which had been unhappy > about the cost of ambien. So I had tried tamazepam. > But that made him feel hung over the next morning. So > then we tried triazolam, which is shorter acting. > Well, today I got a m

Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Imaging FDA and NonCommercial Use Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: TIU Interface for Document Scanning

2005-08-12 Thread Stephen K. Miyasato
The AWP for Lipitor is as follow: Lipitor 10 mg $2.85 Lipitor 20 mg $3.78 Lipitor 40 mg $3.78 Lipitor 80 mg $3.78 Multum Stephen K. Miyasato - Original Message - From: "Kevin Toppenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] RE

Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Imaging FDA and NonCommercial Use Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: TIU Interface for Document Scanning

2005-08-12 Thread Mark Street
A little venting never hurts. The topic is relevant to the implementation of an EHR and VistA IMHO. If is difficult enough to integrate this stuff into a system/culture that is generally technophobic. I see it everyday, being that I am a drugless practitioner in a medical center surrounded by

Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Imaging FDA and NonCommercial Use Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: TIU Interface for Document Scanning

2005-08-12 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
> You know what? Lets have the market decide. We'll > remove federal, > state and local government support for ALL > healthcare, and eliminate > third party providers, and see just how much someone > willing to spend > for Ambien. Funny that you should bring this up as an example. Just today I

Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Imaging FDA and NonCommercial Use Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: TIU Interface for Document Scanning

2005-08-12 Thread Greg Woodhouse
I agree with Greg here. This is a technical list (hence then name). It's not that economic or policy issues aren't important or interesting, this just isn't the right forum. --- Greg Kreis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't see how this discussion is relevant to hardhats. There are > lists wh

Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Imaging FDA and NonCommercial Use Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: TIU Interface for Document Scanning

2005-08-12 Thread Greg Kreis
I don't see how this discussion is relevant to hardhats.  There are lists where people can debate the cost of medicine and the reasons for it. We have over 400 subscribers and I suspect that most of them are here because this is the hardhats list and they have a general expectations of the cont

Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Imaging FDA and NonCommercial Use Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: TIU Interface for Document Scanning

2005-08-12 Thread Ruben Safir
> Ruben, I wonder why you are the only member of this list that uses such > inflamatory negative words. Inflammatory is lieing. And there is no need for a careful analysis here. The muck rating of the Pharmaceutical companies is as evident as the Grand Canyon. People spend too much time fig

Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Imaging FDA and NonCommercial Use Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: TIU Interface for Document Scanning

2005-08-12 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
I'd like to add a few thoughts 1. The FDA document linked above was interesting. I asks the question as to what would happen if the system malfunctioned. How likely is it that the patient would be harmed, or even killed? Even if document imaging is not FDA regulated, this is a useful thought?

Re: [Hardhats-members] Fw: mpsEdit - IDE for MUMPS GT.M programmers.

2005-08-12 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
It looks kind of like Serenji. I tried to download it, but got some error message in polish. Of course if you don't want a glossy GUI, there is my free debugger (LOL...) Kevin On 8/11/05, Maury Pepper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I saw this on comp.lang.mumps and thought it might interest som

Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Imaging FDA and NonCommercial Use Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: TIU Interface for Document Scanning

2005-08-12 Thread James Gray
- Original Message - From: "Ruben Safir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 10:44 AM Subject: [Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Imaging FDA and NonCommercial Use Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: TIU Interface for Document Scanning Still, our FDA approval process has far mor

Re: [Hardhats-members] VistA Community Conference Call

2005-08-12 Thread Mike Lieman
On 8/12/05, Maury Pepper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > VistA Community Call Friday at NOON EDT. > > TOPICS: > - VistA Office Update -- 10 minutes > - General VistA topics - your choice > > DATE: Friday, August 12 > TIME: 12:00 Noon EDT > DURATION: 1 hour. > Joined late, 12:30. Discussion o

[Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Imaging FDA and NonCommercial Use Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: TIU Interface for Document Scanning

2005-08-12 Thread Ruben Safir
> Rhetoric abounds decrying cost of medicine in the U.S. to the point some > advocate importing from Canada. It's not rhetorical. It's a measurable and real. There is nothing rhetorical about the spirally costs of drug therapy and medicine. > Adding that to the recent fiasco regarding > th

RE: VistA Imaging FDA and NonCommercial Use Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: TIU Interface for Document Scanning

2005-08-12 Thread Thurman Pedigo
Watching this FDA thread triggers historical recollections shattering a few cog-webs. To understand FDA one must review the influence of Frances Kelsey, M.D. Until Dr. Kelsey's time FDA was a more or less "rubber stamp" for the drug companies. For some reason it is getting harder to find her connec

Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: VistA Imaging FDA and NonCommercial Use Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: TIU Interface for Document Scanning

2005-08-12 Thread A. Forrey
Rusty:Let me inquire to some contacts that might be able to give a reference. The FDA has supported an AAMI software engineering standard (SW68-2001) that realtes to the best engineering practices supporting such closed devices. But I will find out more as this information should be widely unde

Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Imaging FDA...

2005-08-12 Thread smcphelan
Medical images do have an additional area of security with which other applications may not be concerned. One has to evaluate the risk if one does not ensure somehow that an image is never modified or replaced. Again this gets back to the legal aspect of the medical record. Every PACS vendor I h

Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: VistA Imaging FDA and NonCommercial Use Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: TIU Interface for Document Scanning

2005-08-12 Thread smcphelan
We will never know how the courts will rule until some real test cases come before the court and this point of FDA approved versus not FDA approved is argued. - Original Message - From: "Tyrus Maynard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-m

Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: VistA Imaging FDA and NonCommercial Use Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: TIU Interface for Document Scanning

2005-08-12 Thread Tyrus Maynard
This thread has covered various theories about the scope of FDA regulation for viewing images. I have previously posted a *question* asking where Title 21 describes regulation of Electronic Medical Records except within the scope of Part 11 describing their receipt of documents supporting var