Re: [H]Nforce 3 Board

2005-12-21 Thread Stan Zaske
Check it out Warpmedia! SmartMon Corporate version for $20. No more nag screens. Merry Christmas! @:D Hi Stan: OK, you convinced me. Suzi gets in the office around 9:30 or so CST, and I am authorizing her to provide you the server GUI version for $20.00 Merry Christmas David Lethe

Re: [H]Nforce 3 Board

2005-12-21 Thread warpmedia
Right on Stan, way to work 'em! Now write us a nice review! =) Merry Yule to all... Stan Zaske wrote: Check it out Warpmedia! SmartMon Corporate version for $20. No more nag screens. Merry Christmas! @:D Hi Stan: OK, you convinced me. Suzi gets in the office around 9:30 or so CST, and I

Re: [H]Nforce 3 Board

2005-12-21 Thread Stan Zaske
Actually, I didn't *work* anyone. I was thinking that if they got some feedback from someone outside their demographics (AOL users and Corporations) they might rethink their sales strategy and provide a more functional version splitting the difference between the two prices. $30 is still steep

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Thane Sherrington (S)
At 08:22 PM 20/12/2005, Steve wrote: Their children will simply grow up ignorant then won't they ! If Darwin could prove just 1% of the natural world then it might be worth listening to . . . but why are Dogs no more intelligent than they were years ago, why are there still Monkeys, why have

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Analyst
From da judge: Those who disagree with our holding will likely mark it as the product of an activist judge. If so, they will have erred as this is manifestly not an activist Court. Rather, this case came to us as the result of the activism of an ill-informed faction on a school board,

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Ben Ruset
I was going to make the same reply. warpmedia wrote: LOL! Pat Robertson wrote: Actually it is a scientific theory. People who use Cletus McRedstate pablum such as it's only a theory perhaps should go prove how weak and unfounded scientific theories are by testing the theory of gravity and

Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

2005-12-21 Thread Ben Ruset
If you're listing an email address on your site as a way to contact you, why not just make a form to email app and use that instead? I hate sites that have .jpg'd text. It invariably looks like ass. warpmedia wrote: Good tips links guys! Off to implement on my personal pages since I get 60+

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Ben Ruset
Didn't most of the school board get voted out of office there as well? Analyst wrote: From da judge: Those who disagree with our holding will likely mark it as the product of an activist judge. If so, they will have erred as this is manifestly not an activist Court. Rather, this case

Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

2005-12-21 Thread Thane Sherrington (S)
At 08:23 AM 21/12/2005, Ben Ruset wrote: If you're listing an email address on your site as a way to contact you, why not just make a form to email app and use that instead? This is the best solution, I believe. No email address of any kind to be harvested. T

Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

2005-12-21 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 07:45 AM 12/21/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed: This is the best solution, I believe. No email address of any kind to be harvested. I for one hate forms primarily because the visitor that is filling it out rarely gets a copy for themselves which is not true if they can click on a link

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread chuck
- Original Message - From: Thane Sherrington (S) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge All these questions simply show that you haven't

Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

2005-12-21 Thread Thane Sherrington (S)
At 08:58 AM 21/12/2005, Wayne Johnson wrote: At 07:45 AM 12/21/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed: This is the best solution, I believe. No email address of any kind to be harvested. I for one hate forms primarily because the visitor that is filling it out rarely gets a copy for themselves

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Thane Sherrington (S)
At 09:40 AM 21/12/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of blaming the Creator in intelligent design for sickness and death, why not hope for the day he fixes the hindrance to the human body remaining well and regenerating thus not wearing out and dying, as we know it has the basic design to

Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

2005-12-21 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 08:58 AM 21/12/2005, Wayne Johnson wrote: I for one hate forms primarily because the visitor that is filling it out rarely gets a copy for themselves which is not true if they can click on a link use their own email app. At 08:16 AM 12/21/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed: Easy to

Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

2005-12-21 Thread Ben Ruset
Wayne Johnson wrote: I know it's easy to fix but most websites that use forms don't the end luser doesn't know diddly from ss. Which means that most of them would not care if they did not get a copy for themselves.

Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

2005-12-21 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 09:31 AM 12/21/2005, Ben Ruset typed: Which means that most of them would not care if they did not get a copy for themselves. What? You mean the end user has some control over web authors. I think not. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Analyst
On 21 Dec 2005 at 7:25, Ben Ruset wrote: Didn't most of the school board get voted out of office there as well? All EIGHT of them were voted out in the last election. The newly elected members have no intention to appeal the judge's ruling. Vince

RE: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

2005-12-21 Thread 007
Just some food for thought: It is possible for someone to hijack a website site with false information e.g. sex.com. A worker at the registering site would try to reach the legitimate owner to verify the information. If the phone/contact address is false, he/she may be unable to reach the party

Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

2005-12-21 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 09:46 AM 12/21/2005, Ben Ruset typed: No. What I am saying is that the vast majority of people likely don't care that they would not get a copy of an email that was sent via a form. I know I wouldn't. With more support sites not posting an email addy for people to write to I think people

Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

2005-12-21 Thread Thane Sherrington (S)
At 11:15 AM 21/12/2005, Wayne Johnson wrote: With more support sites not posting an email addy for people to write to I think people will start caring. I know I want a copy of those forms so the supt person can't say the I said abc when in fact I said xyc. It's a matter of CYA. That's true,

[H] Motherboard that won't power on

2005-12-21 Thread Thane Sherrington (S)
I've got a motherboard that was in originally for a bad video fan. I replaced the fan, put the video card back in, and now I get now power (not even a fan twitch) when I turn it on. The motherboard LEDs come on. I've pulled all devices (CPU and RAM included) and clear the CMOS (both by

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Pat Robertson
From: Thane Sherrington (S) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 07:44:23 -0400 All these questions simply show

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Pat Robertson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:40:23 -0500 Instead of blaming the Creator

RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread 007
Unfortunately, neither the Intelligent design people or the evolution thumpers have it right. The real answer is somewhere in the middle. It is like a well kept secret like the formula for Coke. If we could scientifically prove the origin of human beings, then most religions (believing in the

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
Pat Robertson wrote: It's also important to understand that the scientific method is like the US constitution. It's a living, breathing set of foundations that allows us to challenge and refine theories or laws to get a better understanding of our universe. Religious dogma is absolute, it

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
Pat Robertson wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:40:23 -0500 Instead

RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Thane Sherrington (S)
At 12:57 PM 21/12/2005, 007 wrote: The real answer is somewhere in the middle. It is like a well kept secret like the formula for Coke. If we could scientifically prove the origin of human beings, then most religions (believing in the unseen) would not be necessary. All the people would go to

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Greg Sevart
How about everyone get a little intelligence and realize that you are NOT going to change anyone's opinion here? This is a hardware list. This whole post was just flamebait--and has been hashed out numerous times in the past to no avail. Personally, I don't think this decision had any place

RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread 007
I thought that someone had recently changed their name to GOD in a courthouse. 007. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thane Sherrington (S) Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:38 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: RE: [H] OT - Intelligent

RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Pat Robertson
God Shamgod 2nd round pick by the Washington Wizards. It's his birth given name though. From: 007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread 007
I am not sure if you can count this as an argument for GOD, but most porn stars especially the female ones, have been known to utter no other word except Oh my God in the money shot. 007. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Robertson Sent:

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread warpmedia
Naw, it was DOG. 007 wrote: I thought that someone had recently changed their name to GOD in a courthouse.

Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

2005-12-21 Thread warpmedia
Unless you have access to server side scripting, that's not going to work. Which in the case of my personal Comcast pages I don't AFAIK. Javascript breaking it up reassembling it should be ok for now. Ben Ruset wrote: If you're listing an email address on your site as a way to contact you,

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread chuck
- Original Message - From: 007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 2:09 PM Subject: RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge other word except Oh my God in the money shot. This is in humor, not

RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread 007
Three instances of GOD that I can remember: http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/politics/61673 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/28/AR2005062801 073.html And another one that happened about 10 years back. 007. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

2005-12-21 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 10:28 AM 12/21/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed: That's true, but how likely is that? And since by putting the email link in the html, they guarantee that email address will be flooded with spam, the chance of your message getting deleted or blocked goes up. The best system would be a

RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Christopher Fisk
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, 007 wrote: Unfortunately, neither the Intelligent design people or the evolution thumpers have it right. It's the Goa'ould. Christopher Fisk -- BOFH Excuse #428: Firmware update in the coffee machine

RE: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

2005-12-21 Thread Neil Atwood
I rarely disagree with your take on matters technical Wayne, but I do here. I have built and I currently maintain several dozen websites. Most of them pretty simple jobs using a CMS to reduce the amount of hand coding required. In every case I use NO email links at all. They all use forms for

[H] ECC RAM

2005-12-21 Thread Thane Sherrington (S)
Is ECC RAM problematic even with motherboards that support it? I'm getting reports that Ultra ECC RAM (model ULT31428) - which looks like fancy RAM (it comes in a wood box) but I can't find a manufacturer - doesn't work in motherboards that claim ECC compatibility. T

RE: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

2005-12-21 Thread Wayne Johnson
Are you telling me that the spam bots aren't smart enough to detect the supposedly hidden email address in the form but they are smart enough to decode hex? If that's the case then the bots are reading the rendered html not the real source so if one uses an image to click on to start a

Re: [H] ECC RAM

2005-12-21 Thread Winterlight
At 01:44 PM 12/21/2005, you wrote: Is ECC RAM problematic even with motherboards that support it? ECC, we are not talking Registered is not at all problematic. At least I have never had any kind of problem, what so ever, with Crucial ECC. ECC will work in any memory slot. If it is not

Re: [H]Nforce 3 Board

2005-12-21 Thread Steve Tomporowski
The 250 gig drive is out of warranty. Probably serves me right for buying it at BestBuy, probably on the shelf for 6 months.I think we can expect worse from Maxtor now since Seagate's buying them. Nobody will be working very hard or diligently until they find out if they still have a job.

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread warpmedia
No, worse, it's the Ori trying to get us to follow Origin. Blessed are the Ori! Christopher Fisk wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, 007 wrote: Unfortunately, neither the Intelligent design people or the evolution thumpers have it right. It's the Goa'ould. Christopher Fisk

Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

2005-12-21 Thread warpmedia
I think the JPG solution is to DISPLAY the email, and yes that works but also requires the user to read the image type the email addy by hand. ANYTHING that looks like email in the source HTML is going to get scraped. Breaking it up into chunks/hex/whatever with JS is a great idea as long as

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Gary VanderMolen
Ok, let's for a minute assume that the Creator did build the human body to last forever in perfect health. And let's assume that he prevents it from functioning that way for some reason. That doesn't make him benevolent. In fact, it makes him a really nasty bastard. I'd pass on worshipping

Re: [H] Motherboard that won't power on

2005-12-21 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 11:11 AM 12/21/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed: I've got a motherboard that was in originally for a bad video fan. I replaced the fan, put the video card back in, and now I get now power (not even a fan twitch) when I turn it on. The motherboard LEDs come on. I've pulled all devices

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Gary VanderMolen
Unfortunately, neither the Intelligent design people or the evolution thumpers have it right. The real answer is somewhere in the middle. It is like a well kept secret like the formula for Coke. If we could scientifically prove the origin of human beings, then most religions (believing in the

Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

2005-12-21 Thread Gary VanderMolen
You may not ever learn to love it, but learn to put up with the form, for the moment it's here to stay... ;-) There's nothing wrong with having a form on a website, but, as a common courtesy the person filling out the form should be emailed a copy. If nothing else, it validates the submitted

RE: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

2005-12-21 Thread Neil Atwood
-Original Message- From: Wayne Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2005 9:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Hardware List Subject: RE: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses Are you telling me that the spam bots aren't smart enough to detect

[H] WinUpdate?

2005-12-21 Thread dhs
Has Windows 2000 Server been dropped from WinUpdate? I've been trying to check for updates all day. All I get from either the Express button or the Custom button is an error window with error number 0x80072EE2. SW is legit. The last updates I did were on 12-07-05. Suggestions (other than

RE: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

2005-12-21 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 11:45 PM 12/21/2005, Neil Atwood typed: There is no 'hidden' email address in the form (as such). The simplest forms use something like this FORM action=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] method=post instead of scripting and these are equally harvestable It's encoded by server-side scripting, so

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Stan Zaske
Perhaps, the Universe *is* an intelligently designed construct or mechanism! But in the same token, it was clearly setup to be self-maintaining and evolving. Life isn't the only thing in the cosmos to evolve. Stars also evolve, in that the 1st generation suns (the 1st ones that formed after

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Stan Zaske
Hallelujah, praise God for that! @:) Analyst wrote: On 21 Dec 2005 at 7:25, Ben Ruset wrote: Didn't most of the school board get voted out of office there as well? All EIGHT of them were voted out in the last election. The newly elected members have no intention to appeal the judge's

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Stan Zaske
FWIW, that's an excellent example of the evolutionary process proving that Whales were once land dwellers and mammals like ourselves. Uh, just so you know Pat I called Pat Robertson an Ape the other day. I hope you won't take offense. @:D Pat Robertson wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Stan Zaske
Number one Greg, people like to talk about this stuff because it is fundamental to our understanding of human origins. Second of all, you don't know what you're talking about by calling it flame bait just because someone reports a current event in the news. And third, the list rule is that OT

RE: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

2005-12-21 Thread Neil Atwood
No argument Wayne - those simple forms code examples are bad news. Happy Christmas to you. ;-) Neil Atwood - Sydney, Australia http://westserve.org - Blog, Christianity, Coffee and Tech Stuff. -Original Message- From: Wayne Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Stan Zaske
Allow me to interject a little intelligence into this line of thought. I've read the Bible and thought about what it states rather than just accept a preacher man's interpretation. Since God is all-powerful, all-seeing, all-knowing and designed us he is fully aware of who/what we are and what

Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

2005-12-21 Thread Stan Zaske
And the Human Race has had scientific reason for how long now? Imagine what they will figure out in the next 2000 years. The apostle Paul (the former Saul of Tarsus) said that the end is near referring to the second coming of Jesus and I haven't been raptured yet. He didn't lie to us did he?