Idiot consumers are forever tying their PC purchases
to price the promises of
slick salesman. Sounds like people are pissed they
were duped into buying
low-end PC's that can only the most basic version of
Vista (means nothing given
what's not in VHB) which of course begs the question
were
In this case there also happens to be an internal memo from a Microsoft VP
who bought a Vista Capable PC instead of a Premium Ready one and got
burned. His memo asks the (rhetorical) question, if we don't understand
our own marketing, what does that say about what we are doing to our
customers?
Thankfully I bought my ReadyNAS NV while Infrant was still in charge. Now that
Netgear owns them they raised prices on everything without actually improving
any of the technology. I paid $550 2 years ago and got upgraded to an NV+ about
a month ago when my NV started having problems. They cost
I don't know if it's slick salesmen or not. It's a matter of what
Vista Capable means. If it means that the PC will run Vista, then it's
not deceptive. If they want to define it as being able to run Aero as
well as a bunch of other crap then maybe.
People shouldn't buy a $300 PC and get
How is Vista Basic *not* Vista?
Brian Weeden wrote:
In this case there also happens to be an internal memo from a Microsoft VP
who bought a Vista Capable PC instead of a Premium Ready one and got
burned. His memo asks the (rhetorical) question, if we don't understand
our own marketing, what
Right now I'm using the TwonkyMediaServer to serve content from my HTPC to
my D-link DSM-520 and it works beautifully, as long as the whole browser
election thing isn't disrupting the entire network. Would I be able to
install that on the ReadyNAS? Or would I need an actual full windows
install?
Hello j,
Monday, February 25, 2008, 3:04:01 PM, you wrote:
Sounds like people are pissed they
were duped into buying
low-end PC's that can only the most basic version of
Vista (means nothing given
what's not in VHB) which of course begs the question
were those pc's also so low
end they
Hello Brian,
Monday, February 25, 2008, 3:40:06 PM, you wrote:
To repeat what was posted before, Basic has:
* No Aero (the cool glassy GUI for Vista)
* No backup to anything but local
* No DirectX10
* Doesn't come with new Vista games and themes
* Windows Vista Meeting not present
In
Unconfirmed - seems that the Intarweb has people claiming it both ways. It
is confirmed that Basic does not support Aero.
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Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Joe User [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Brian,
Monday, February 25,
You used to be able to install Twonky to the ReadyNAS line of products although
I never used it. It comes with a version of the linux wizd media server
preinstalled and this works well with my linkplayer2. In fact I was using wizd
before I bought the readynas and was surprised to see the same
To repeat what was posted before, Basic has:
* No Aero (the cool glassy GUI for Vista)
* No backup to anything but local
* No DirectX10
* Doesn't come with new Vista games and themes
* Windows Vista Meeting not present
In other words, Vista Basic has none of the features that make Vista a new
OS
That's the drive I was looking to use. My current HTPC is an overclocked
Athlon with 6 250GB SATA drives and another 80GB boot drive so it's sucking
power like crazy. Which is one of the reasons I'm looking to replace it.
I wonder how those power saving drives work in a RAID array and what sort
I don't agree. It's still the Vista code base. It has more features
and changes from XP.
A BMW 3 series is still a BMW, despite it not having all of the features
of the 7 series.
Vista Basic is designed for cheap/low-end PC's, so it's not like they'd
be able to run Aero. Is a cheap home PC
Also, something to consider is that the readynas, although touted as a
redundant data device is not without occasional catastrophic problems. I had a
power outage that outlasted the UPS and data got corrupted beyond repair
although none of the hard drives were flawed. My second 500GB drive had
I agree with you. But you'd still be pretty pissed if you spent $2,000 on a
new PC in November 2007 and find out that you have to buy a new one in two
months later to run the full windows Vista when the salesmen assured you
that it was Vista Capable. It was all about driving Christmas sales of
That's no good. How did a power outage corrupt the data? Didn't the NAS
shut down?
I don't have backups of a lot of my data like TV shows and Photos - the RAID
IS my backup. I know that's poor network design, but unless I can afford
twice the NAS I need it's all I've got.
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Brian Weeden
A $2000 computer isn't coming with Vista Basic though. Unless the
upgrade coupon that came with PC's that shipped with XP Home only
entitles you to Vista Home Basic... then I'd see why people are pissed.
Brian Weeden wrote:
I agree with you. But you'd still be pretty pissed if you spent
Xp home users found out they had no coupons to upgrade to anything. I can tell
you that went over like lead balloons.
Sent via BlackBerry
-Original Message-
From: Ben Ruset [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:10:41
To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Vista class
I'm downgrading my tablet from Vista Ultimate to XP Tablet Edition
tonight. Seems to me like the XP Home users ended up getting the better
end of the deal.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Xp home users found out they had no coupons to upgrade to anything. I can tell you that went over like lead
It is really two different issues - the Vista Ready issue and the Vista
Basic issue. They were trying to wrap them all into one big lawsuit and
that's what the judge said no-no to.
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Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Ben Ruset [EMAIL
Brian,
All I can offer to this discussion is, Assumption is the mother of all
future bad things.
Well, I cleaned it up a bit.. :)
Point being, Ben is correct. The Vista Capable means just the basic code
base. Nothing more.
If the buyer assumes anything else at the point of purchase; well,
Has anyone spun up Belarc Advisor v7.2v yet?
Wondering why it can not, or will not recognize an in-place A/V proggy
on the install machine?
No. I did not reboot after install; did not say to... :)
Thank you.
Best,
Duncan
There's a lot more to Vista than the few items you mentioned.
I fail to see how Basic is all that limiting. I have the Home Premium
edition but have never used the features that set it apart from Basic.
I turned Aero off because I found it too distracting.
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)
In
Yes (that version has been out awhile.),
and mine shows.
FWIW, AGV shows as:
GRISOFT, s.r.o. - AVG 7.5 Anti-Virus System Version 7.5.0.420 *
GRISOFT, s.r.o. - AVG Anti-Virus system Version 7.5.0.504 *
Rick Glazier
- Original Message -
From: DHSinclair
What were the features that Vista has over XP that made it worth the money
for you to upgrade?
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Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Gary VanderMolen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
There's a lot more to Vista than the few items you
Rick,
Mine shows nothing even after multiple reboots. I've removed it for now.
I'll try again in the am. Or, perhaps ESET did not $pend some buck$. :)
Best,
Duncan
At 22:24 02/25/2008 -0500, you wrote:
Yes (that version has been out awhile.),
and mine shows.
FWIW, AGV shows as:
GRISOFT,
I didn't upgrade. Vista came installed on a new laptop I bought recently.
As a beta tester for Microsoft, I slowly became used to Vista during the
beta testing phase, and now prefer it over XP. There isn't one blockbuster
feature that sold me, just dozens of little things. Like when you go to
When I say AOL in the same sentence, I had to clarify.
RR would mean always on
without regard to AOL's software. So therefore if all
other internet traffic is
working as expected there would have to be an issue
with live update itself. You
can download reinstall LU from symantec's site which
Anyone using that?
I am thinking of getting one for ome use.
Zulfiqar Naushad
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