Re: [H] That's got to sting

2008-06-27 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
Seems like Duncan is on a bit of a rant here. Why? Does it bother you that the MS OS has moved beyond Win2k? I hated that OS. Winterlight wrote: I just do not understand your vent. Best, Duncan What vent? I wrote nothing. I just forwarded a news story that was interesting.

Re: [H] That's got to sting

2008-06-27 Thread Thane Sherrington
Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. I'm not a Vista fan. I agree with Intel sticking XP. I was just pointing out why MS might be irritated with Intel. (There is also the fact that when the biggest CPU vendor ignores your latest OS, that's not a good sign.) Of course, MS is selling Vista with the slogan

Re: [H] That's got to sting

2008-06-27 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 07:33 AM 27/06/2008, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Seems like Duncan is on a bit of a rant here. Why? Does it bother you that the MS OS has moved beyond Win2k? I hated that OS. Yes, he's very strong on W2K. And it was a sucky OS, and really is crap compared to XP. (I'd even consider Vista

Re: [H] That's got to sting

2008-06-27 Thread Ben Ruset
Well, the difference is that a copy of XP or OSX comes with support. Linux gets fairly expensive if you factor in vendor support. And, I'm not sure if you've ever had the pleasure of dealing with Red Hat support, but they're terrible. Microsoft support, on the other hand, has always been

Re: [H] That's got to sting

2008-06-27 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 10:01 AM 27/06/2008, Ben Ruset wrote: Well, the difference is that a copy of XP or OSX comes with support. Linux gets fairly expensive if you factor in vendor support. And, I'm not sure if you've ever had the pleasure of dealing with Red Hat support, but they're terrible. Microsoft support,

Re: [H] That's got to sting

2008-06-27 Thread Ben Ruset
Right. But support from the vendor is still better than no support at all. Community support is an iffy thing. I asked a simple question on the dd-wrt forums a few days ago and have not yet even had a response. I've had the same thing happen on the CentOS forums as well. Sometimes it's nice

Re: [H] That's got to sting

2008-06-27 Thread Ben Ruset
Oh, and the other thing I forgot to mention is that there's not much of a compelling reason to make every single jump in OS revision. For example, if you had a OSX Tiger machine, and did not care about Time Machine or the new dock, there's no super compelling reason to go to Leopard. Brian

Re: [H] That's got to sting

2008-06-27 Thread Hayes Elkins
That's why red hat still has stock listed on NASDAQ and others are either long gone or pink sheets. Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:58:09 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] That's got to sting Right. But support from the vendor is still better than no

Re: [H] h/t block email address in Eudora

2008-06-27 Thread Gary VanderMolen
Sorry, I don't use Eudora. Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail) -- From: Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] So how is it done? At 12:28 AM 6/27/2008, you wrote: A fake bounce is not good for most spam, but serves a purpose for an annoying individual sender.

Re: [H] cpu coolers ? Az in the summer :{(

2008-06-27 Thread maccrawj
Side cover off causes same problem as water cooling does, not enough airflow to the other components of the mobo like vreg's HS on heatpipes for NB/SB result in higher localized temps on those components even though mobo cpu temp sensors show cooler. The fan on the Nocutra is supposed to be

Re: [H] That's got to sting

2008-06-27 Thread maccrawj
Read the Vista lawsuit papers see why Vista was so labatomized by the request of the the likes of Dell Intel looking to be able to sell their existing hardware solutions. Then send you business to HP who seems to have happily bit-the-bullet upgraded their offerings to match original Vista

Re: [H] cpu coolers ? Az in the summer :{(

2008-06-27 Thread Beave
Hello, -=Begin cut from previous message=- Big issue with new mobo's IMHO is despite a plethora of fan temp probe headers there's a lack of good, free software to control/monitor since MBM is a dead project. As sweet as the Asus Rampage is, Q-Fan2 Asus Probe2 software suck. So an

Re: [H] That's got to sting

2008-06-27 Thread Ben Ruset
XP had much, much more traction at launch than Vista had. XP, pre SP1, was infinitely more usable than Vista is post SP1. My vote for Vista will be that it'll climb in the boat with Me. The UI changes (aero) are here to stay, but hopefully Win7 will be what XP is today. In any case it

Re: [H] That's got to sting

2008-06-27 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
I don't believe it is possible to offer real support to the masses unless you charge big $$$. Thane Sherrington wrote: At 10:01 AM 27/06/2008, Ben Ruset wrote: Well, the difference is that a copy of XP or OSX comes with support. Linux gets fairly expensive if you factor in vendor support.

[H] AHCI vs SATA support on ICH9R controller

2008-06-27 Thread James Maki
I installed Vista Ultimate x64 on a RAID0 disk array of WD Raptors on an Abit IP35 Pro motherboard. The other disk drives are all SATAII. I notice the message AHCI Bios Not Installed during the boot sequence. The disk drives are NOT hot swappable. Reading up on AHCI, it seems this supports hot

Re: [H] That's got to sting

2008-06-27 Thread John Steinbruner
LOL. I'm on an iMac 24 inch with the 3.06 gig Core 2 Duo.. I have XP loaded in Bootcamp, but have only used it for about 5 hours in the last 2 months to play some Crysis and FarCry.. :) I don't miss XP or Vista too very much... On Jun 27, 2008, at 2:34 PM, Ben Ruset wrote: In any case it

Re: [H] That's got to sting

2008-06-27 Thread maccrawj
More traction possibly but XP was still lamented until SP2 in favor of 2K. Vista usability I can not comment on for even though I have a legit Vista Business key granted by my brief college experience, we were never given access to the media I've not cared enough to look for alternative media

Re: [H] That's got to sting

2008-06-27 Thread maccrawj
LOL, miss it or not, you being frakked on hardware choices! Pass the KY the Kool-Aid is wearing off. John Steinbruner wrote: LOL. I'm on an iMac 24 inch with the 3.06 gig Core 2 Duo.. I have XP loaded in Bootcamp, but have only used it for about 5 hours in the last 2 months to play some

Re: [H] That's got to sting

2008-06-27 Thread John Steinbruner
True, but I still have the Intel mobo'd, Core 2 Duo, 4 HD's, and 2 DVD/ CDRW's, Lian Li-cased monster with 2 gigs of RAM and fast nVidia card on the other desk... She dual-boots XP and Vista... ;) On Jun 27, 2008, at 4:20 PM, maccrawj wrote: LOL, miss it or not, you being frakked on

Re: [H] AHCI vs SATA support on ICH9R controller

2008-06-27 Thread maccrawj
http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/imst/sb/cs-012308.htm http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/imsm/sb/CS-022304.htm This one seems to suggest RAID mode is RAID + AHCI: http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/imst/sb/cs-015988.htm James Maki wrote: I installed Vista Ultimate x64 on a RAID0

Re: [H] cpu coolers ? Az in the summer :{(

2008-06-27 Thread maccrawj
I know Asus makes the software, I was saying IT SUX! :( Asus Probe2 is Intrusive, no logging, memory hog, interferes with network printing, junk. No specs or source code from Asus, so a big FU if you don't like their crap. Then you have your video card's sensors and fan controls still using