Tom Tromey wrote:
If it is being developed, then it is another good choice. Basically
the message is, unless a particular license is a hard requirement,
there is little reason to write a java compiler.
The most active compiler project at the moment appears to be the Eclipse
compiler, which is a
> "Ben" == Ben Laurie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Ben> Tom Tromey wrote:
>> * Fragmentation. I think there are too many free JVMs. In particular
>> the "C/C++-based VM" niche is over-full. It ought to be possible,
>> though difficult, to write a configurable core VM that can be reused
>> by
Mark Brooks wrote:
Hey, this is an Apache project. There is no lead - we're all peers.
Then we are doomed. :)
Plenty of Apache projects have worked this way, with great results.
--
http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/
"There is no limit to what a man can do or how fa
Hi, im a fairly new programmer (computer science student at Cambridge UK) and
am looking to get started on oss/java project and thought this would be a nice
place to start. I'll be mainly hanging around in the background, maybe doing a
few of the class libraries, docs, etc.
questions -
How 'int
> "Steve" == Steve Blackburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Steve> I am going to stick my neck out and make a few concrete suggestions
Steve> for how the Harmony VM might be developed.
Excellent post.
I would like to mention a different possibility:
* Write a new, modular VM in C or C++
- G
> "Steven" == Steven Augart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Steven> What really quashed the idea was the issue of garbage
Steven> collection -- GCC is not designed to pass type information
Steven> down to the lower levels of the compiler, so GCJ doesn't build
Steven> a "gc map", which you need in
Mark Brooks wrote:
Hey, this is an Apache project. There is no lead - we're all peers.
Then we are doomed. :)
That's absurd.
But if you are looking for something to do how can we figure
out the viability of this approach, and either park the idea as an
interesting one but not appropria
I brought up this idea with Lars Bak (HotSpot architect at Sun back
then) at a conference some years back when Sun introduced the HotSpot
VM. The argument back then was that a program mays not execute in the
same pattern every time and the optimization made previously may no
longer apply.
Rega
Take a look at Quicksilver (no longer active).
http://www.research.ibm.com/quicksilver/
"The Quicksilver project is exploring novel compilation models for Java.
Our goals are to support deep analysis, aggressive optimization,
testability and control over executables, all in the context of a fully
I don't know much about JVM and am a total newbie to this group but
Brad's question set me thinking.
I guess what Brad is asking is for a snapshot of the state of JVM. This
would be really useful to migrate stuff from one environment to another
preserving the underlying state.
I am sure this idea
Can we just keep pushing to bring things to the dev list?
geir
On May 15, 2005, at 9:15 PM, Matthew Johnson wrote:
I try to stay connected and to scroll back and look but that's not
reliable and its certainly not archived. Defaulting to IRC is very
anti-community IMO. In Axis land we have a weekly,
On May 15, 2005, at 9:48 PM, Mark Brooks wrote:
Hey, this is an Apache project. There is no lead - we're all peers.
Then we are doomed. :)
But if you are looking for something to do how can we
figure out the viability of this approach, and either park the
idea as an interesting one b
On May 16, 2005, at 2:38 AM, Stu Statman wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
the classlibrary is. GNU Classpath is something we are going to
work with now, and sort out the license issues in parallel.
Does this mean that the core classes development work will happen
within and as part of the GNU
Doubt it would/should be done automatically. Checkpoints would be
triggered by a checkpoint() library call which would save the executable
state as an executable file (and exit without returning). When the file
is executed, execution would resume as if returning from the
checkpoint() function.
On May 15, 2005, at 9:48 PM, Mark Brooks wrote:
Hey, this is an Apache project. There is no lead - we're all peers.
Then we are doomed. :)
Hardly :)
But if you are looking for something to do how can we
figure out the viability of this approach, and either park the
idea as an interest
It would be sad if the list really exponentially divide. I thing such a big
project need a lot of people, and not only VM or compiler gurus. I think one
of the big interest of this project is it can elevate the java knowledge of
the community. But for that, an effort must be made to integrate new c
I thought GPL+Exception was fine to fork..
On 16/05/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On May 16, 2005, at 2:38 AM, Stu Statman wrote:
>
> > Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> >
> >
> >> the classlibrary is. GNU Classpath is something we are going to
> >> work with now, and sort out
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On May 16, 2005, at 2:38 AM, Stu Statman wrote:
Does this mean that the core classes development work will happen
within and as part of the GNU Classpath project? Or is there an
intent to fork?
Right now, I see nothing else out there, so yah, we can use GNU
Classpat
Hi Geir,
On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 06:47:40AM -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
> I have no intention of forking GNU Classpath. Even if we wanted to,
> we couldn't because of the license.
>
Just to be clear on this point, the license for GNU Classpath is
GPL+Exception and does not prohibit fo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's a bit knee jerk. Far more value could be found from working
together. We have more in common than not. If we learn to compromise
and work together, the gains will be tremendous. Seperately we're all a
bunch of qubbling groups who produce pieces of Java that ar
Here is my take (with all my hats off):
Patrice Le Vexier wrote:
Dear all,
correct me if i'm wrong, but, to make a J2SE platform, we need:
- a compiler (javac)
let's use eclipse JDT compiler. it rocks, it's fast, has a compatible
license and uses classloaders instead of classpaths (makes it a lot
Hi all,
Thanks for all the input into the legal discussion so far. We've got enough
input for now :-)
Roughly 95% of the people on this list should from this point forward stop
worrying about licensing issues for, oh, I dunno, the next 6 months. The
harmony project mentors and its PPMC will keep
Christian Damsgaard wrote:
I brought up this idea with Lars Bak (HotSpot architect at Sun back
then) at a conference some years back when Sun introduced the HotSpot
VM. The argument back then was that a program mays not execute in the
same pattern every time and the optimization made previously
Steve Blackburn wrote:
The OS dependencies of the core harmony VM should be very minimal. In
the case of Jikes RVM, there is a very thin layer of C code that
interfaces to the OS (signals, system calls, bootstrap). OS ports are
fairly straightforward and very well contained within this interfa
Tom Tromey wrote:
"Steve" == Steve Blackburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Steve> I am going to stick my neck out and make a few concrete suggestions
Steve> for how the Harmony VM might be developed.
Excellent post.
I would like to mention a different possibility:
* Write a new, modular VM in C or C
hi all... i'm a computer science student located in cairo, egypt with a
modest experience in c/c++ (wrote some bsd-style sockets and posix stuff)
and designing web applications with java/php i've just read about
harmony yesterday on slashdot and i'm just itching to be invloved... and i
tota
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On May 16, 2005, at 2:38 AM, Stu Statman wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
the classlibrary is. GNU Classpath is something we are going to work
with now, and sort out the license issues in parallel.
Does this mean that the core classes development work will happen
within
Short Story: Please take a look if you haven't already -
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article on Trampolines in Kaffe. Here's the abstract:
Why?
Because knowing what tools we are going to use is the logical first step.
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Then we are doomed. :)
Hardly :)
I was joking. But we do seem to be in a state of flux right now.
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Hello all,
I have created an initial attempt at reaching a consensus regarding the
structure of the Harmony project on
http://www.jguru.se/jguru/control/Developers/Harmony
I was convenient and lazy enough to stash all on one page for now.
Please read through it and post your comments on the de
i hereby second all the motions :)
-- dims
On 5/16/05, Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here is my take (with all my hats off):
>
> Patrice Le Vexier wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > correct me if i'm wrong, but, to make a J2SE platform, we need:
> >
> > - a compiler (javac)
>
> let'
On 5/16/05, Simon Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi, im a fairly new programmer (computer science student at Cambridge UK)
> and am looking to get started on oss/java project and thought this would be
> a nice place to start. I'll be mainly hanging around in the background,
> maybe doing
On 5/15/05, Mark Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >To be clear, so as no-one feels they've been misled in the future, this
> is
> >not what we'd like in the best of all possible worlds. In that world,
> >classpath would be relicensed under the AL, or a compatible licence.
> >
> >What's liste
El lun, 16-05-2005 a las 16:08 +0530, Subramanian, Sundar escribiÃ:
(...)
> I guess what Brad is asking is for a snapshot of the state of JVM.
> This
> would be really useful to migrate stuff from one environment to
> another
> preserving the underlying state.
I have mixed feelings about having a
Geir I ll favor ur argument, at this time no need to worry about coding yet,
i dont understand why guys are being impatient, when u go for quality ,
performance, and efficiency then u have to think before u leap. so i think
every one of us knows these are proof of concept things which we will
i
Hi!
i think , though idea is great but expanding the focus too broad may
complicate the things, but as this could be requirement in future so i think
its better to use a moduler architecure and allow us to embed new modules
later on but for now lets concentrate over on JVM only.
On 5/15/05,
Amen :)
-- dims
On 5/16/05, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for all the input into the legal discussion so far. We've got enough
> input for now :-)
>
> Roughly 95% of the people on this list should from this point forward stop
> worrying about licensing issues for, o
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Those who have a JVM and want to donate it under the apache license to
seed harmony raise their hands now!
As mentioned before, and/all of JC [1] is available and I'll
be happy to relicense it. All of the code was written by me
(though I didn't invent all of the algorithms
Thnx Geir!
it really helps us as some time due to workload its impossible to be there
and i hope u realy assemble us with others :)
On 5/16/05, Sanjeev Shankar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Good Point
>
> On 5/15/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On May 10, 2005
Hello all,
I spent an hour or two creating an overview document for Harmony
architecture. Take a look and send any comments to the list. The
document may serve as a point of origin for the discussion:
http://www.jguru.se/jguru/control/Developers/Harmony
I would assume that we have an incubator s
Discussion on the BCEL list the other day seemed to agree that ASM is
the way to go. BCEL has some few features it does not, but they're all
quite non-mainstream.
Hen
On 5/13/05, Rob Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The bytecode verifier is not a particularly difficult thing to
> implement,
Making Harmony modular enouth to be kind of a JVM framework cannot be
done before having a working JVM. There is a lot of literature about
how frameworks should emerge from continuous design and development.
This must not be the focus until required, so no JIT plugable layer
until someone tries to
But !
if u people dont mind (dont take me splitter again ;) ) then i would say
while considering Classpath for library we should design in such a way that
if some one want to replace with its own (his own wish thats what OSS is )
then he can do it easily. (and i hope follwowing the TCK it could
Hi all,
I'm a Java programmer and a CS student at CNAM in France. I'm interested to
work in this project.
About the C vs C++, I'd suggest C for various reasons:
- C is simpler to learn/use than C++
- C++ memory footprint is usually bigger than C one
- C++ is good for mixing high level and low
On 5/16/05, Ahmed Saad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hi all... i'm a computer science student located in cairo, egypt with a
> modest experience in c/c++ (wrote some bsd-style sockets and posix stuff)
> and designing web applications with java/php i've just read about
> harmony yesterday on slas
On 5/16/05, Ben Laurie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
*snip*
> Question to the floor: if it had to be one of C and C++, which would you
> prefer?
C.
C++ was a terrible thing to do to a language! :-)
Simon
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