Leo Simons mail at leosimons.com writes:
Since the JDK stuff is now all mostly out in the public, and most NDAs
are effectively voided once the information they are meant to protect is
available through other means not involving an NDA.
Missing the cue by just a few days, Sun Microsystems
Leo Simons wrote:
I'll also request everyone tries to ensure that you do not try and
represent anything as legal fact unless its been thoroughly verified that
it is indeed rather certain that what is being said is undisputable. Also,
always try and provide as much references as possible.
The
IANAL. This is not legal advice.
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 11:59:48AM +0100, Tor-Einar Jarnbjo wrote:
Leo Simons wrote:
I'll also request everyone tries to ensure that you do not try and
represent anything as legal fact unless its been thoroughly verified that
it is indeed rather certain that
I think the best thing to do here is consult a German lawyer, or some
legal resource that has a clue about open source licensing. We aren't
going to be able to answer any of this here in a definitive way.
I will again note that for contributions made here, at the ASF, we do
not ask for
Geir Magnusson Jr schrieb:
I would further argue that if the author must retain right to revoke
the license or have control over derivative works, then open source is
impossible in Germany.
Obiously it is not, as long as the software users accept the potenial
risk of having to replace the
Tor-Einar Jarnbjo wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr schrieb:
I would further argue that if the author must retain right to revoke
the license or have control over derivative works, then open source is
impossible in Germany.
Obiously it is not, as long as the software users accept the potenial
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
It's not OSS if the author can do that arbitrarily. Think about it -
you could wait until something is really popular, and then go shake
down every user using it...
Not necessarily the users directly, but at least the enity, which is
managing the reproduction and
Tor-Einar Jarnbjo wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Which code, and what were the terms of the NDA? The CLA is fairly
lightwieght.
What questions do you have for both?
I thought I better split this, to prevent the discussion from getting
too confusing. One thing I already pointed out with
Hi Tor-Einer,
I live in The Netherlands, which has all but identical copyright laws
to Germany. My parents live in Germany and have looked at this kind of
stuff before. I've talked to german ASF committers about legal stuff
before who have had their companies look at things.
I'm not a lawyer and
Vorbis is cool :-)
Thanks for thinking this stuff through and being careful about protecting
everyone and yourself from legal mess.
IANAL. Not Legal Advice.
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 12:08:20AM +0100, Tor-Einar Jarnbjo wrote:
Which code, and what were the terms of the NDA? The CLA is fairly
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
I thought I better split this, to prevent the discussion from getting
too confusing. One thing I already pointed out with the Apache CLA is
that it is very biased towards US copyright law.
Well, the ASF is a US Corporation (non-profit) so those are the laws
under
Tor,
IANAL.
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 01:34:15AM +0100, Tor-Einar Jarnbjo wrote:
assuming or expecting that US law is relevant if it comes to a legal
dispute between e.g. a non-US contributor and a non-US software user or
a non-US owner of related intelletual rights, is IMHO rather naive.
Leo Simons mail at leosimons.com writes:
If you put a notice to that effect onto your authorized contributor form
that should probably be fine. If you can't remember what bit of the
implementation you looked at, chances are you also don't remember what you
saw!
People have been successfully
Would I be correct in assuming that the majority of java.sql would be
trivial to implement by reading the javadocs (everything except
DriverManager)? I can take a whack at the low hanging fruit this
weekend.
Jeremy
On 10-Feb-06, at 12:05 PM, zoe slattery wrote:
Upayavira wrote:
zoe
Jeremy Huiskamp schrieb:
Would I be correct in assuming that the majority of java.sql would be
trivial to implement by reading the javadocs (everything except
DriverManager)? I can take a whack at the low hanging fruit this
weekend.
The java.sql package mostly contains interfaces, so
On 10-Feb-06, at 1:14 PM, Tor-Einar Jarnbjo wrote:
Jeremy Huiskamp schrieb:
Would I be correct in assuming that the majority of java.sql would
be trivial to implement by reading the javadocs (everything
except DriverManager)? I can take a whack at the low hanging
fruit this weekend
:
On 10-Feb-06, at 1:14 PM, Tor-Einar Jarnbjo wrote:
Jeremy Huiskamp schrieb:
Would I be correct in assuming that the majority of java.sql would
be trivial to implement by reading the javadocs (everything except
DriverManager)? I can take a whack at the low hanging fruit this
weekend
Jeremy Huiskamp wrote:
Didn't say it was difficult, just that it's not trivial ;-) As in,
the javadocs don't tell me everything I could possibly need to know
to implement it. I'd love to take a crack at it, but I figured I'd
start with the really easy stuff. If you beat me to it then so
Tor-Einar Jarnbjo wrote:
Jeremy Huiskamp wrote:
Didn't say it was difficult, just that it's not trivial ;-) As in,
the javadocs don't tell me everything I could possibly need to know
to implement it. I'd love to take a crack at it, but I figured I'd
start with the really easy stuff.
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Yes, this would be the place. Sorry about that - I am in the middle
of a machine change, and email switch, so I've been an email blackhole
at times...
So, I sent you a partial implementation of JavaSound and a Vorbis SPI,
any interest? One problem is of course,
Tor-Einar Jarnbjo wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Yes, this would be the place. Sorry about that - I am in the middle
of a machine change, and email switch, so I've been an email blackhole
at times...
So, I sent you a partial implementation of JavaSound and a Vorbis SPI,
any interest?
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Lets discuss that here. :) I didn't mean to ignore you - but two mail
machines were hard to follow. I'm ready to join them into one, and
hopefully I'll stop dropping the ball :)
Ok, here are a snippet from the mail I sent you:
(Win32 partial implementation of
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Which code, and what were the terms of the NDA? The CLA is fairly
lightwieght.
What questions do you have for both?
I thought I better split this, to prevent the discussion from getting
too confusing. One thing I already pointed out with the Apache CLA is
that it
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