Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Earle Martin
2008/8/27 Andy Armstrong > Tell it to take its input from an empty smart playlist. > How very intuitive. This is why I haven't looked back since switching to a Linux box with Amarok to handle my music. -- うつつにひとめ 見しごとはあらず Earle Martin | http://downlode.org/

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Joshua Juran
On Aug 27, 2008, at 6:08 AM, Andy Armstrong wrote: On 27 Aug 2008, at 05:03, Joshua Juran wrote: I never used iTunes for OS 9. I used Norman Franke's SoundApp. (SoundApp was great because it had this really amazing feature called a "play queue". I'm still waiting for iTunes X to catch up

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 27 Aug 2008, at 17:14, Joshua Juran wrote: I'll concede that yes, it has a queue internally, but one which is permanently hard-wired to the Shuffle randomizer and fails to offer the behavior I expect such as stopping on empty. Tell it to take its input from an empty smart playlist. -- A

Re: HP Photosmart Studio (and co-conspirators)

2008-08-27 Thread Marco Von Ballmoos
On Aug 27, 2008, at 21:11, Chris Devers wrote: On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Marco Von Ballmoos wrote: Un. In. Stall. It. Sounds good to me. But what's the way to import scans from the device then? My advice holds for the case where you have to either (A) give up on your dream of scanning unfade

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Marco Von Ballmoos
On Aug 27, 2008, at 03:49, tgies wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 20:42, Andy Armstrong wrote: On 26 Aug 2008, at 21:05, Joshua Juran wrote: Unfortunately, what actually happened wasn't so benign as any of those. Instead, the OS promptly wedged itself, forcing a system reset. So basical

Re: HP Photosmart Studio (and co-conspirators)

2008-08-27 Thread Chris Devers
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Marco Von Ballmoos wrote: > Un. In. Stall. It. Sounds good to me. But what's the way to import scans from the device then? iPhoto can't seem to do it. Can Image Capture? I'll have to try it tonight when I get home... -- Chris Devers DO NOT LEAVE IT IS NOT REAL

Re: Perforce branch views

2008-08-27 Thread Marco Von Ballmoos
On Aug 27, 2008, at 08:37, Joshua Juran wrote: [2] How do you reverse a submitted change? FWIW: http://encodo.com/en/blogs.php?entry_id=86 See how easy? -- Marco Von Ballmoos http://earthli.com - Home of the earthli WebCore; PHP web sites made simple.

Re: HP Photosmart Studio (and co-conspirators)

2008-08-27 Thread Marco Von Ballmoos
On Aug 27, 2008, at 05:52, Peter da Silva wrote: HP Photosmart Studio Run away. Now. I thank you both for the update; I myself haven't installed the HP software in years and am happy to be able to strike a potential HP scanner upgrade from my list of things to do without reservation. I

Re: Perforce branch views

2008-08-27 Thread Marco Von Ballmoos
On Aug 27, 2008, at 12:56, Peter da Silva wrote: Perforce is the Windows of version control. I thought Microsoft Visual SourceSafe was the Windows of version control. +1 -- Marco Von Ballmoos http://earthli.com - Home of the earthli WebCore; PHP web sites made simple.

Re: Perforce branch views

2008-08-27 Thread Aaron J. Grier
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 05:17:20AM -0700, Joshua Juran wrote: > On Aug 27, 2008, at 3:56 AM, Peter da Silva wrote: > > >>Perforce is the Windows of version control. > > > >I thought Microsoft Visual SourceSafe was the Windows of version > >control. > > No, DOS. the DOS solution (which some of

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Peter da Silva
> Provided that you're running OS X 10.1 or later. 10.1.5 or later > 10.0 was unstable as hell. 10.0 was barely beta. I'd say 10.0 was less stable than Rhapsody DR2. 10.1 was beta quality until 10.1.5. Apple didn't really seem to start pushing people hard over to OS X until Jaguar was out.

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread David Champion
> The only problem I have with it is the misleading name. It sounds like a slot game. It makes me feel around my pocket for another nickel. Oh yes, and clench my jaw and glare in Cupertino's general direction. -- -D.d...@uchicago.eduNSITUniversity of Chicago

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 27 Aug 2008, at 05:03, Joshua Juran wrote: I never used iTunes for OS 9. I used Norman Franke's SoundApp. (SoundApp was great because it had this really amazing feature called a "play queue". I'm still waiting for iTunes X to catch up and include this cutting edge technology.) Party

Re: Perforce branch views

2008-08-27 Thread Joshua Juran
On Aug 27, 2008, at 3:56 AM, Peter da Silva wrote: Perforce is the Windows of version control. I thought Microsoft Visual SourceSafe was the Windows of version control. No, DOS. Josh

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 06:23:57AM -0500, Peter da Silva wrote: > On 2008-08-27, at 04:03, Joshua Juran wrote: > > If you put OS 9 and OS X on the same machine there's simply no > > comparison. > Absolutely. Been there, done that, and OS X smokes OS 9 in every > category. Provided that you're

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Chris Devers
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Joshua Juran wrote: > (SoundApp was great because it had this really amazing feature called > a "play queue". I'm still waiting for iTunes X to catch up and > include this cutting edge technology.) It's called "Party Shuffle" now, but it's roughly the same idea. At first

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Peter da Silva
On 2008-08-27, at 06:16, David Cantrell wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 02:03:23AM -0700, Joshua Juran wrote: The OS 9 Finder, however, is a pretty cool app, as we all know from using the OS X Finder. We do? I think they're both shit. Explorer.exe from Windows 95 was better. You misspell

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Peter da Silva
On 2008-08-27, at 04:03, Joshua Juran wrote: On Aug 26, 2008, at 8:42 PM, Peter da Silva wrote: OS 9 was made of hate. OS 9 made Windows Me look good. OS 9 was so bad that you could wedge a 233 MHz Power PC just by trying to use iTunes and Finder at the same time. I never used iTunes for

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 02:03:23AM -0700, Joshua Juran wrote: > The OS 9 Finder, however, is a pretty cool app, as we all know from > using the OS X Finder. We do? I think they're both shit. Explorer.exe from Windows 95 was better. -- David Cantrell | Cake Smuggler Extraordinaire You can't

Re: Perforce branch views

2008-08-27 Thread Peter da Silva
Perforce is the Windows of version control. I thought Microsoft Visual SourceSafe was the Windows of version control.

Re: Perforce branch views

2008-08-27 Thread jrodman
I *hate* centralized version control. I most especially hate the kind that gets in the way of you doing crap when you haven't got connectivity with the server. The worst offenders of course are horrorshows like ClearCase, but Perforce isn't so hot either. -josh

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Joshua Juran
On Aug 26, 2008, at 8:42 PM, Peter da Silva wrote: On 2008-08-26, at 20:05, Joshua Juran wrote: Just for fun I thought I'd plug my new iPod into an OS 9 box Why don't you plug it into an unfiltered electrical socket during a thunderstorm? It'd be smarter. Tell us how you really feel... O

Re: Perforce branch views

2008-08-27 Thread Neil Brewitt
On 27 Aug 2008, at 07:37, Joshua Juran wrote: Perforce does not have branches. The notion of a "branch" of development is implemented in different ways by different SCM tools. For me, CVS' invisible branching scares the hell out of me - it's too easy to get non-sticky stuff mixed with st

Perforce branch views

2008-08-27 Thread Joshua Juran
Perforce does not have branches. Yes, it has 'p4 branch' and 'p4 branches' commands, but these deal with *branch views*, which are simply mappings from Here to There -- they allow you to specify on the command line a single label instead of two pathnames. In essence, they're glorified macr

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Joshua Juran
On Aug 26, 2008, at 6:57 PM, Chris Devers wrote: Also, modern iPods, like many modern USB devices, really need USB2 to draw enough power to charge the battery, nevermind transfer large amounts of data in a reasonable amount of time. If I have the timeline right, and I think I do, the first Macs

Re: HP Photosmart Studio (and co-conspirators)

2008-08-27 Thread Peter da Silva
On 2008-08-26, at 22:00, Chris Devers wrote: HP Photosmart Studio Run away. Now. HP used to make wonderful scanner software. Best in the business. I actually keep a Mac running OS 9 alive because it's running that old HP scanner software and is plugged into a tanklike HP scanner that will

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Peter da Silva
On 2008-08-26, at 20:49, tgies wrote: It is not totally unreasonable to expect that an incompatible USB peripheral is not going to totally wedge the entire system. Oh yes, it absolutely is. Totally unreasonable. It would be totally unreasonable even if you weren't doing it on OS 9, because th

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Peter da Silva
On 2008-08-26, at 20:05, Joshua Juran wrote: Just for fun I thought I'd plug my new iPod into an OS 9 box Why don't you plug it into an unfiltered electrical socket during a thunderstorm? It'd be smarter. OS 9 was made of hate. OS 9 made Windows Me look good. OS 9 was so bad that you coul

Re: Why hating on editors? Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

2008-08-27 Thread Peter da Silva
On 2008-08-26, at 18:35, Aaron J. Grier wrote: gaah! me powerful software shaman! watch me majikally reflow text by piping paragraph through external program! You want me to pull out some hate about the things you had to do BEFORE pipes and filters, and you STILL have to do on operating s

HP Photosmart Studio (and co-conspirators)

2008-08-27 Thread Chris Devers
I'll try to atone with a more heartfelt hate, okay? We just got one of the shiny new HP multifunction print / scan / copy / fold / spindle / mutilate devices that all the kids are taking off to college these days. Really, the scanner is the bit I'm interested in -- I've got a box full of old

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread tgies
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 21:22, Andy Armstrong wrote: > It is not unreasonable to expect that an operating system that was EOLed in > 2000 (OS 9) might have a bug in its handling of a standard (USB 2.0) that > wasn't released until 2000. No, that is pretty unreasonable. The USB 2.0 standard is spe

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Joshua Juran
On Aug 26, 2008, at 6:57 PM, Chris Devers wrote: Also, modern iPods, like many modern USB devices, really need USB2 to draw enough power to charge the battery, nevermind transfer large amounts of data in a reasonable amount of time. Plugging the iPod into a USB keyboard instead of a primary US

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Joshua Juran
On Aug 26, 2008, at 6:42 PM, Andy Armstrong wrote: On 26 Aug 2008, at 21:05, Joshua Juran wrote: Unfortunately, what actually happened wasn't so benign as any of those. Instead, the OS promptly wedged itself, forcing a system reset. So basically you assumed that because the plug fitted in

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 26 Aug 2008, at 21:49, tgies wrote: There are plenty of things to criticise Apple about. This doesn't feel like one of them. It is not totally unreasonable to expect that an incompatible USB peripheral is not going to totally wedge the entire system. It is not unreasonable to expect tha

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Chris Devers
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, tgies wrote: > It is not totally unreasonable to expect that an incompatible USB > peripheral is not going to totally wedge the entire system. Looking at OS9 funny was enough to wedge the system. Playing peek-a-boo with it was enough to make it piss its pants. This doesn

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread tgies
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 20:42, Andy Armstrong wrote: > On 26 Aug 2008, at 21:05, Joshua Juran wrote: >> >> Unfortunately, what actually happened wasn't so benign as any of those. >> Instead, the OS promptly wedged itself, forcing a system reset. > > > So basically you assumed that because the plu

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 26 Aug 2008, at 21:05, Joshua Juran wrote: Unfortunately, what actually happened wasn't so benign as any of those. Instead, the OS promptly wedged itself, forcing a system reset. So basically you assumed that because the plug fitted in the socket a ten year old OS should be able to ha

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Yoz Grahame
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Chris Devers wrote: > > What happened when you tried it on your VAX? There are VAXen with USB ports? (I'm not being snarky, I'm now genuinely intrigued as to whether there are.) -- Yoz

Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

2008-08-27 Thread Chris Devers
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, David Champion wrote: > I feel dumber just for reading this thread Me too, surprisingly enough :-) > Why the unprovoked trolling, Chris? Sorry, I thought that was the whole point of this list, no? > I get that you hate mutt. Actually, that's untrue, and I suppose I overs

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Chris Devers
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Joshua Juran wrote: > And people wonder why I don't believe in Apple. What happened when you tried it on your VAX? -- Chris Devers

Re: Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Yoz Grahame
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Joshua Juran wrote: > > Unfortunately, what actually happened wasn't so benign as any of those. > Instead, the OS promptly wedged itself, forcing a system reset. Based on my experiences with Mac OS pre-X, I'm amazed this outcome wasn't top of your list of expecta

Apples and Apples: iPod vs. OS 9

2008-08-27 Thread Joshua Juran
Apple never fails to impress me with their contempt for users of those Apple products which Apple would prefer to imagine never existed. Just for fun I thought I'd plug my new iPod into an OS 9 box to see what happened. I was expecting this to be (and would have been satisfied with) one of

Re: Why hating on editors? Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

2008-08-27 Thread Aaron J. Grier
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 11:53:39AM -0500, Peter da Silva wrote: > Personally, I prefer mail software not do [text reflowing], but that's > because my editor (vi) makes reflowing easy with the "!}fmt" command. gaah! me powerful software shaman! watch me majikally reflow text by piping paragraph

Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

2008-08-27 Thread Simon Wistow
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 05:29:36PM -0500, David Champion said: > I get that you hate mutt. I don't care. Or, to put it another way o/~ I like small Mutt's and I cannot lie ... o/~ I'll, I'll just get my coat shall I?

Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

2008-08-27 Thread David Champion
> Why, is it difficult to do in Mutt? I feel dumber just for reading this thread, so in that spirit I might as well reply. Why the unprovoked trolling, Chris? Did some mutt user steal your appropriately-sexed friend? Of course it's not difficult if you're using mutt; Matt just didn't feel like