Re: Why hating on editors? Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

On 2008-08-26, at 18:35, Aaron J. Grier wrote: gaah! me powerful software shaman! watch me majikally reflow text by piping paragraph through external program! You want me to pull out some hate about the things you had to do BEFORE pipes and filters, and you STILL have to do on operating s

Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, David Champion wrote: > I feel dumber just for reading this thread Me too, surprisingly enough :-) > Why the unprovoked trolling, Chris? Sorry, I thought that was the whole point of this list, no? > I get that you hate mutt. Actually, that's untrue, and I suppose I overs

Re: Why hating on editors? Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 11:53:39AM -0500, Peter da Silva wrote: > Personally, I prefer mail software not do [text reflowing], but that's > because my editor (vi) makes reflowing easy with the "!}fmt" command. gaah! me powerful software shaman! watch me majikally reflow text by piping paragraph

Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 05:29:36PM -0500, David Champion said: > I get that you hate mutt. I don't care. Or, to put it another way o/~ I like small Mutt's and I cannot lie ... o/~ I'll, I'll just get my coat shall I?

Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

> Why, is it difficult to do in Mutt? I feel dumber just for reading this thread, so in that spirit I might as well reply. Why the unprovoked trolling, Chris? Did some mutt user steal your appropriately-sexed friend? Of course it's not difficult if you're using mutt; Matt just didn't feel like

Re: Why hating on editors? Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 04:52:30PM -0400, Walt Mankowski wrote: > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 01:36:45PM -0700, Alan Amaya wrote: > > Think about how hatefully you might write a program to wrap combining > > characters to 80 columns, or how hateful you might find writing that program > > to be. > > In

Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 01:02:01AM -0400, Chris Devers wrote: > But what is an email client if not a tool for processing text? It is a tool for processing *messages*. It is not a tool for processing text. It operates at a much higher level than text. >

Re: Why hating on editors? Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 01:36:45PM -0700, Alan Amaya wrote: > Think about how hatefully you might write a program to wrap combining > characters to 80 columns, or how hateful you might find writing that program > to be. In fact Donald Knuth has an elegant solution to the much more difficult proble

Re: Why hating on editors? Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

Think about how hatefully you might write a program to wrap combining characters to 80 columns, or how hateful you might find writing that program to be. On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Walt Mankowski < waltman-hates-softw...@mawode.com> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 11:53:39AM -0500, Peter d

Re: Why hating on editors? Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 11:53:39AM -0500, Peter da Silva wrote: >> I don't *care* what editor I use, as long as it's reasonable. > > This issue has nothing to do with editors. > > Whether you use Pico, EZedit, vi, Emacs, or TECO, there's no law that > says the mail software can't reflow the text

Why hating on editors? Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

I don't *care* what editor I use, as long as it's reasonable. This issue has nothing to do with editors. Whether you use Pico, EZedit, vi, Emacs, or TECO, there's no law that says the mail software can't reflow the text before passing it to the editor, the same way GUI mail software does be

Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Devers wrote: | I used to get worked up about such things. | | Then I realized that it really doesn't matter. Then you're on the wrong list. ;) - -- Benjamin Reed a.k.a. Ranger Rick Fink, KDE, and Mac OS X development Blog: http://www.racc

Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

jrod...@hate.spamportal.net wrote: > Sorry, this hate fails. Focus on bugs and misdesng not "my feature is > the most important and must be in every piece of software". And in any event the whole thing is predicated on the idea that the tools I'm using are unable to wrap text, which is not the ca

Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 01:43:54AM -0400, Chris Devers wrote: > On Sat, 23 Aug 2008, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: > > Do you *want* more software in your life? > > I don't particularly care. Disk space is cheap. First law of software hatefulness: the amount of hatefulness in software has a minimum

Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

* Chris Devers [2008-08-23 07:45]: > On the contrary, as long as they're round enough to get me > around, it's not worth thinking about. I don't care if they're > rubber, wood, or steel, as long as they'll carry me down the > road. If you travelled 300 miles on road every day you would have a ve

Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: > * Chris Devers [2008-08-23 07:05]: > > The strange point of view to me -- which I am aware of, but fail to > > see the benefits of -- is taking the purist Unix-ey "everything does > > one and only one thing, and you assemble the toolkit you want

Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

* Chris Devers [2008-08-23 07:05]: > The strange point of view to me -- which I am aware of, but > fail to see the benefits of -- is taking the purist Unix-ey > "everything does one and only one thing, and you assemble the > toolkit you want" to absurd levels. Mutt does not, so I know not how thi

Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: > * Chris Devers [2008-08-22 18:45]: > > Surely punting with "not my problem" is itself hateful. > > You seriously want each application to come up with entirely new ways > of making text editing hateful? On the contrary, I like a bit of consist

Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

* Chris Devers [2008-08-22 18:45]: > Surely punting with "not my problem" is itself hateful. You seriously want each application to come up with entirely new ways of making text editing hateful? Regards, -- Aristotle Pagaltzis //

Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

> > Why do people like Mutt again? > > I keep forgetting. Because it sucks less. > > -- > Chris Devers > DO NOT LEAVE IT IS NOT REAL > > -- There is this special biologist word we use for 'stable'. It is 'dead'. -- Jack Cohen

Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 12:38:57PM -0400, Chris Devers wrote: > On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Roger Burton West wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 12:12:23PM -0400, Chris Devers wrote: > > > > >I thought Mutt had all manner of bells & whistles. It can't rejustify? > > > > Mutt is not an editor; it's an

Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Roger Burton West wrote: > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 12:12:23PM -0400, Chris Devers wrote: > > >I thought Mutt had all manner of bells & whistles. It can't rejustify? > > Mutt is not an editor; it's an MUA. It'll use whatever editor you tell > it to. > > Misdirected hate. Su

Re: Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 12:12:23PM -0400, Chris Devers wrote: >I thought Mutt had all manner of bells & whistles. It can't rejustify? Mutt is not an editor; it's an MUA. It'll use whatever editor you tell it to. Misdirected hate.

Mutt, was Re: "iTunes is unable to browse album covers on this computer"

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008, Matt McLeod wrote: > Peter da Silva wrote: > > Apparently happens on Windows if you sneeze while you have the > > display control panel open, but this was on my Macbook Pro. > > Restarting iTunes fixed it, but seriously, Apple, what in the name > > of nine spinning hairy go