subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: French translation
Take the mutes out.
Paul Mansur
On Monday, November 22, 2004, at 10:09 PM, Michael E. Thurman wrote:
Sourdine = mute
sans sourdines = without mute
otez les sourdnes = ???
For those who need to know more,
oter, or more correctly ôter, is the
I seldom contribute to this list but occasionally one hears music making
that is truly life
enhancing.
i would like to thank Wolfgang Tomboeck for this recording. This is great
horn playing
and great is not a term that I ever use lightly.
Highly recommended to all players.
Lindsay Carrick
FIRST - KUDOS THANK YOU:
Thanks to the list for all the help with the German language Vienna horn
website. The login request short-circuited my usual inquisitive (aka
hacker) nature, and I gave up too fast. I did get in, and found that
it was the English translation of a page I'd already seen in
Am I missing something here?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=16215item=3765276760rd=1
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There are even a lot of conductors out, terrorizing horn players with
their (conductors) personal interpretation of terms like gestopft,
sord., Daempfer, cuivre, echo etc., having no idea about how to produce
it. Composers often have not any idea about that, but use gestopft for
real bottom notes
There is an old proverb from India:
You cannot breath new life into a dead body ! Why should you ?
Why should an old, worn King horn produce almost European sound, if just
the bell is changed ?
Remember, horns are designed from top to the end as one unit. If you
change one part, using another
You are implying a false conclusion; the Indian proverb does not apply to
horns, the metal of which the half life is way beyond your mortal existence.
A well cared for King is not old. Using different bells, leadpipes or
mouthpieces can do amazing things to the playability and sound of any horn,
While my answer will not have the panache of a Cabbage answer, another point of
view can help.
The horn, like all brass instruments can only produce the harmonic series with
the help of the bell shape and any lead pipe taper. Otherwise it would play
only odd harmonics, like a garden hose. That
The taper and size of the leadpipe and tail section and bell flare do
greatly affect the sound, centering and other general characteristics of the
horn sound. Unless there has been a new breakthrough in mathematics, these
characteristics cannot be completely described using mathematics. I once
Gounod's Six Melodies for horn and piano does, as
the name implies, have a piano accompaniment. When I
initially purchased my copy of this music, I got it
from McCoy's horn library. The piece makes decent
19th-century salon or parlor music. Hope this
helps. I'll occasionally assign the piece to a
In a message dated 11/28/2004 8:57:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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You are implying a false conclusion; the Indian proverb does not apply to
horns, the metal of which the half life is way beyond your mortal existence.
While this may be true, how many hornists are regularly
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If you play this passage on 1st valve, you
Add Jim Patterson of L.A. to your list.
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Subject: [Hornlist] bells
Ok, so I've got a 4 valve King.. one of the pre-Eroica models. Cool horn,
but with
Hy everyone,
I'm an italian hornist who have bought a 9DY from Conn.
I'm looking for american hornist and the istruments used by american was 8D,
10D, 11D... but not 9D.
My question is: WHY?
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Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 4:52 PM
Subject: New Mouthpiece
I've been playing Horn for 45 years and in all that time I've used only three
different mouthpieces. From 1959 to 1972 I used a WWII era Reynolds which
belonged to my
May-be, you adjust your embouchure too much, so the clams. Try to play
without adjusting.
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Loren M wrote:
You are implying a false conclusion; the Indian proverb does not apply to
horns, the metal of which the half life is way beyond your mortal existence
Dave W responded, asking:
While this may be true, how many hornists are regularly playing on a horn
over 85 years old?
I can't answer 'why', but can confirm from my experience that you've made a
good choice. I played new 9Ds and 8Ds at a recent 'horn-day' here in No.
Calif., and was very impressed with the 9D.
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Dave Weiner said this
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play regularly
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NHR p.s.: I picked 85 because this is an actuarial drop off point. As
life expectancy has improved over the decades, age 85 seems to remain a
constant
point of inflection in the mortality curve. In other words, life
expectancy
drops off
I personally feel, after having tried quite a few,
that the 9D is a far better horn than the new 8D.
In fact, at the last two horn workshops I attended,
the 9D horns at the Conn table sold, while the 8D
horns went unsold.
Wilbert in SC
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Hy
My two favorites for quality and value are the Reynolds Contempora (made in
Cleveland preferable, but Abilene will be fine with newer valves) and the Conn
4D (only trust those made in Elkhart. Not the 14D, it is a student model). I
see a lot of King 618 models on ebay, but I don't have
If a 100 year old can climb Mt. Fuji or ride a bicycle 100 miles (these
are true events BTW), hey, as long as you can still kiss, wield an ax and
wiggle your fingers, why shouldn't you be able to play a horn? Go for it and
keep us posted.
Loren Mayhew
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Finke Horns
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Finally someone to explain to me the relationship between mouthpiece bore and
venturi size. They reference bore (as existing) but don't define it. Instead,
they introduce grain, but warn it may not exist. Should we talk about the
grain of the bore, or the bore of the grain? Since leadpipe
Does anyone have a picture of the 1919 Conn 8D they could send me for use on
a web site? I am curious as all get out to see the design myself. It is a
double with 3 piston valves and a rotary thumb valve.
Thanks,
Leonard
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You might want to check the Stork's Library or Ask Doctor at
http://www.storkcustom.com/ or the Moose at http://www.hornmouthpiece.com/.
It turns out there are more variables than you mention involved such as your
physical characteristics, playing style (pressure vs. low pressure), the
horn
Bill, a few questions about your suggestions.
The Conn 4D - how can I tell where a Conn horn was made?
The Reynolds Contempora references I find are all for double horns, and any
reference I find for a Reynolds single horn just says Reynolds single horn
in F and nothing further.
Thanks in
In a message dated 11/28/2004 7:18:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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I wonder to what age can
an old man expect to play regularly?
Bob, you can expect to play the rest of your life, if you live that long.
Dave Weiner
Brass Arts Unlimited
Having forwarded information giving directions to the Curtiss Blake
collection of horn recordings housed at the University of Wisconsin in
Madison, I misplaced the link. When I did a MetaCrawler search a couple
of days later to try to find the collection, I found it and I also saw a
few links
Atkinson horns in Los Angeles is a good choice.
After reading about Mr.Atkinson's training and
lineage, I am convinced he is a legend in the making.
His student and mass produced horns aside, he has a
true masters approach to his new geyer type horns.
Not the biggest name brands to date, but I
It depends what you call regularly.
Gerd Seifert is still playing professionally first horn at age 73 e.g.
(he plays in a musical production in Berlin) - you see horn playing is
his life.
I remember a horn player (Erhard) in Freiburg, who still taught horn
when I visited him the day after his
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