RE: [Hornlist] Transposing, et al

2006-03-01 Thread Bill Gross
Some of the attitudes Hans talks about in younger students appears is similar to what I've heard from some people doing hiring in the US. People entering the work force went through a school system that was very big on "self worth." (I am paraphrasing from a speaker I heard over six months ago.

RE: [Hornlist] Transposing, et al

2006-03-01 Thread Pandolfi, Orlando
I can't help chuckling to myself, as just yesterday at a rehearsal I was conducting, I said the exact same thing to the students. They were showing dismay at my criticism that they were not listening properly and therefore not doing what I had asked. I told them that merely showing up is not good

RE: [Hornlist] A fingering choice (was: Transposing)

2006-03-01 Thread Steve Freides
Hans Pizka wrote: > For what purpose did they invent the tumb > valve switch ? To make the hornplayers life easier, to use > the Bb-side for higher entrances, for higher passages, for > some higher soli in piano dynamics, for certain colour > effects, for better intonation of several notes, et

RE: [Hornlist] A fingering choice (was: Transposing)

2006-03-01 Thread Joe Scarpelli
Yeah, the less us "older amateurs" have to deal with the coordination between slow fingers and fat lips the better. Regards, Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Freides Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 12:59 PM To: 'The Horn List' Sub

Re: [Hornlist] A fingering choice (was: Transposing)

2006-03-01 Thread Robert Ward
Which way sounds better? On Mar 1, 2006, at 9:59 AM, Steve Freides wrote: I thought I'd share my thinking on a fingering choice and see what y'all say. Last night I was handed Horn 4 on Copland's "Fanfare for the Common Man." My part opens with the figure F-C-F which also happens several m

RE: [Hornlist] Transposing & self-esteem

2006-03-01 Thread Erin Block
Interestingly, I've heard from university professors in the last 5 years that this problem has grown for them as the first wave of kids totally raised on this "self-esteem" model hit college age. For example, they've seen more students are challenging the "fairness" of low grades for poor qualit

Re: [Hornlist] Transposing, et al

2006-03-01 Thread billbamberg
I found high school prepared me quite well for the real life work experience. I discovered the most worthwhile skill was learning how to work for an asshole. -Original Message- From: Bill Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'The Horn List' Sent: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:43:39 -0600 Subject: RE: [H

Re: [Hornlist] Transposing, discipline, et al

2006-03-01 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
In a message dated 01/03/2006 21:03:16 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I found high school prepared me quite well for the real life work experience. I discovered the most worthwhile skill was learning how to work for an asshole. This very worthwhile lesson is, in my opini

RE: [Hornlist] A fingering choice (was: Transposing)

2006-03-01 Thread Steve Freides
Robert Ward asked: > Which way sounds better? I picked the fingering I did because it sounds better when I play it, but that's not a simple question. Part of the reason it sounds better is because of my lack of horn playing skill - my fingering is easier in terms of embouchure so, on me, my fing

RE: [Hornlist] Transposing & self-esteem

2006-03-01 Thread Richard Smith
I've been teaching for almost 30 years. In the last 5-10 years, the difference is astonishing. In staff meetings I have suggested that if we help students succeed, we will not have to be concerned about their self image. I usually get challenged vehemently, but many colleagues agree with me. Ri

RE: [Hornlist] A fingering choice (was: Transposing)

2006-03-01 Thread Richard Smith
Just my experience, but I have always found that lower F to be very "hollow" sounding on the Bb horn. There is a passage in the 1st mvt of Strauss 1 where the arpeggios are much more playable with that fingering but I try not to use it anyway. Your experience, horn, embouchure, or technique may wel

Multi-Generations in the Workplace{was [Hornlist] Transposing, et al}

2006-03-01 Thread Bill Gross
Just a follow up for those that might be interested, I tried to run down the exact source, but struck out. I did come up with some other works on the subject that might be of use to you. I'm sorry I can't nail down that other quotation.   Generations at Work: Managing the Clash of Veterans, Bo

[Hornlist] Happy Me With My New 4D!

2006-03-01 Thread Carlberg Jones
Greetings - Yes, I'm in Seventh Heaven with my 49-year-old single F Conn 4D. I bought it last year on e-Bay for peanuts. The seller wanted to make sure everybody knew the bell was dented, so there were two pictures which showed terrible dents. But it was only the light and how he took the pi

[Hornlist] transposing etudes

2006-03-01 Thread Mark Syslo
As an amateur, I've had a great time sitting back and reading the discussion on transposition. My horn teacher, who had better be proud to read this, taught me that transposing is as integral on the horn as using your right hand! No, there is not "instant gratification" on transposing. It's no

[Hornlist] start off on an F horn?

2006-03-01 Thread Simon Varnam
On 3 2, 2006, at 3:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One more thing - why do Horn students start off on an F horn? I cannot see why teachers would want to make life so difficult for them. Do professionals use F horns? Not within 10 000 miles of here - far too challenging! I tried it once, and d

[Hornlist] transposing

2006-03-01 Thread Simon Varnam
My 2 [currency units] on transposing: 1) It's handy and FUN to be able to fill in the part of who ever is absent in our tiny peripatetic band, whether in rehearsal or in concert. 2) I had to laugh when playing Gounod's "Petite Symphonie" the other day, the 2nd horn (I'd suggested he play 1st

Re: [Hornlist] transposing etudes

2006-03-01 Thread David Goldberg
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Mark Syslo wrote: I think that transposing etudes is a win-win. ... Yeah. Horn-players are members of a subculture. Why would anyone want to be considered a member of that subculture but also want to reject knowledge, proficiency in any of the pillars of that subcultu