RE: [Hornlist] totally original poem for Clamsaa

2007-12-18 Thread hans
The "Krampus" is a relict from the days before Christianism arrived in the Alps of Austria, Switzerland & Southern Germany. He is somewhat like the "Perchten", antique daemons, earth daemons, who come during the dark & long nights of the cold season, but were driven away every year´s end around th

RE: [Hornlist] 2nd horn solo in Beethoven 7

2007-12-18 Thread hans
The bore was more or less the same as of today´s Viennese Horns: 10,8 mms. Just the initial part of the detachable lead pipe was much thinner than the classical Viennese Horns had on their crook. But this was just the mouth piece receiver (on the Viennese Horns). It has nothing to do with the bore.

Re: [Hornlist] totally original poem for Clamsaa

2007-12-18 Thread Richard V. West
Leonard: Thank you for the delightful poem that complements Kendall Betts' magnum opus. Now, there are two for Christmas! If you were Austrian, I'd almost think you were referring to Krampus, the evil and mischievous demon who accompanies St. Nikolaus on his rounds on December 6 in Austria.

[Hornlist] AJ Pelletier

2007-12-18 Thread John Dutton
So just out of sheer curiosity, does anyone have any info on who A.J. Pelletier was? The only thing I can track down is he played in the first part of the 20th C with Detroit and Cleveland. The Jack Attack! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubsc

Re: [Hornlist] 2nd horn solo in Beethoven 7

2007-12-18 Thread Simon Varnam
"DalleyHN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On narrow bore natural horns in use in Beethoven's time ... How narrow WERE they? Simple Simon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/ar

Re: [Hornlist] 2nd horn solo in Beethoven

2007-12-18 Thread David Lamb
Richard Burdick: ...The scoring indicates that Beethoven intended the note F# to be lipped down from the G above it. This puzzles me. How does the scoring indicate what Beethoven intended? It is clear that he intended an F#, but I don't see anything to suggest exactly how he intended the h

Re: [Hornlist] Yamaha 667V

2007-12-18 Thread David Crane
I may be wrong, but I believe the 800 series instruments had hand hamered bells--does the 667V? Dave "Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options

Re: [Hornlist] Re: Yamaha 667

2007-12-18 Thread Fred
See post from Cameron Kopf sent 3 hours ago Fred On 12/18/07, Max Bygrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > With all this discussion of 667 and 667V I have to ask > > ...snip... > Who makes a pipe that would fit a 667 ? > > Max > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___

[Hornlist] Re: Yamaha 667

2007-12-18 Thread Max Bygrave
With all this discussion of 667 and 667V I have to ask I find my daughter's Yamaha 667 to be really sharp. I mean tuning slide "way out" sharp, next to my Paxman. Has anyone else out there noticed that they run a bit sharp and replaced the 667 leadpipe with something more reasonable ? W

RE: [Hornlist] 2nd horn solo in Beethoven

2007-12-18 Thread hans
It is much better & with nearly equal tone quality, if the f# is produced by the use of the right hand, partly closing the bell. Even a forte is possible without the usual nasal effect. If the f# is lipped down, the sound comes also altered & somewhat weak. If the right hand is a bit curved, it wor

RE: [Hornlist] Life Span of a Horn

2007-12-18 Thread hans
Right Larry, if one cares very much about his or her horn, the horn can last for ones full life & longer. There should be NO wear in the valves, if one keeps them clean. Not by polishing but by preventing spoilage (brushing the teeth before playing, no intake of food during intermissions except whe

Re: [Hornlist] Life Span of a Horn

2007-12-18 Thread brassartsunlim
Really, I was making a generalized statement based on my observations of lots of horns that have been played a lot over lots of years. Mostly these horns have been yellow brass, rather than nickel silver. Certainly, any horn can be well maintained and its useful service life extended well beyond

Re: [Hornlist] Yamaha 667V

2007-12-18 Thread brassartsunlim
Of course the truth of it is that all horns are pretty much hand made, start to finish. As Ken Pope pointed out in his response the Custom line was probably assembled by one master, start to finish. The so-called factory-made horns are really made on an assembly line, although hand assembled. E

RE: [Hornlist] Yamaha 667V

2007-12-18 Thread Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre
I haven't followed this thread very closely, but the mention of “catalog” causes my usual Pavlovian reaction as my brass gallery project holds these scans: Scans of older Yamaha horn catalogue and horn pages from Yamaha general brass catalogues (1976, circa 1985, post 1990): Single page 300 dpi

[Hornlist] Re: Yamaha 667 [was Yamaha 667V]

2007-12-18 Thread Cameron Kopf
on Mon, 17 Dec 2007 "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: "With the 667, intonation is a bit dicey and inconsistent, but it was a good horn to get me back into playing after a 7-8 year hiatus. I understand with a few mods like a deHaro or Houghton lead pipe, it would really come to life and I plan on d

[Hornlist] Re: 2nd horn on Beethoven 7th

2007-12-18 Thread Steven Mumford
The real key to evening out the sound between "closed" and "open" notes is the mouthpiece. Back in Beethoven's time, horn mouthpieces were made of sheet metal and were a continuous funnel all the way to the small end. A modern mouthpiece with a choke and backbore works fine on the open not

[Hornlist] Life Span of a Horn

2007-12-18 Thread Larry Jellison
Dave wrote: "A violin, made of wood, can last centuries. A horn, made of metal, has a life span of about 60 years unless heavily patched and refitted..." My 8D that was assembled in 1963 (thus, is 44 years of age) looks new with all its lacquer, and the best I can

[Hornlist] RE: Yamaha 667V

2007-12-18 Thread ken
I think the difference between the Custom and Professional lines at the Yamaha Factory was that the Custom horns were manufactured by one individual per horn from beginning to end. I seem to remember Johnny Woody telling me this, and since I suffer from MCBDS (Multi-Child-Brain-Drain-Syndrome) the

[Hornlist] 2nd horn solo in Beethoven

2007-12-18 Thread rob
I Aggrree too it is done by lipping and not with the hand. Dauprat writes F naturals and marks them open. The mouthpiece makes a large difference. Also watch out for conductors that want it too loud. The horns were not that loud. The orchestra may have sat backwards with the horns bells towards

RE: [Hornlist] Yamaha 667V

2007-12-18 Thread Hunt,Thomas
Is it certain that the 667v is not as hand made as the 861? Inst the bell one piece, not two? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of David A. Jewell Sent: Tue 12/18/2007 9:15 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Yamaha 667V Okay, Dave and Tom - you win. The mo

Re: [Hornlist] Yamaha 667V

2007-12-18 Thread David A. Jewell
Okay, Dave and Tom - you win. The more I get into this discussion the differences that I acknowledge are indeed greater than I at first thought. Airstream direction is certainly a major difference, and after looking at a catalog photo of the 667V I realize that the F branch is wound more diffe