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From: Chris Tedesco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: The Horn List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Valves
My repairman is great about
this, I just give him a ring and he says when he's free.
Chris
This all confirms, that you are really missing a lot of instructions,
Michael. Why, the heck, are you doing the wash process now and not
before yesterday or even when you got the recommendation to do so
You are the ignorant or the lazy boy. Do things immediately when
recommended, the SAME
The best way to fix the problem is really to have the rotors removed and the
horn cleaned out, but that not being an option, you could try:
1. Buy a can of hydrocarbon based auto degreaser. This is a strong
detergent. Do NOT use any caustic soda based degreaser.
2. Remove the slides and pour
Mike,
I too, think that you have gotten some good advice from the posters on how
to unstick your valves. One question though, if you have a horn that you
use at school and it plays okay, why not just use that one for the concert,
if you know it to be more reliable ? You have two horns and that
Michael,
I have to agree with Hans. In my experiences playing horn, I played
Principal all through college, but when I returned home and began playing
professionally, I won positions playing low horn (second). Although Hans
has at times said some things about tutti players, every part in the
Flush the horn with lots and lots of water with cheap dish washing detergent, such as
dawn. The cheap ones don't have a lot of additives. Follow the flushing with clean
water flushing. At some point during the process, the valve should clean up and work
again. Sometimes you can pull a slide
In a message dated 12/4/2003 9:18:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have to agree with Hans. In my experiences playing horn, I played
Principal all through college, but when I returned home and began playing
professionally, I won positions playing low horn (second).
I had some nasty valves once before a jury a few years ago and had no time to
have my horn cleaned, so I dumped in a load of blue juice and just moved the
valve back and forth until it was worked clean enough to not stick. Granted,
if you're valve is completely stuck you need emergency repair I'm
I have a tank of blue juice sitting around... well not a tank, a pretty full
8 oz. bottle. I only have it around because I never use it. I used a little,
then stopped.
Why? Well it just gums everything up and dries out too fast. I think they're
fine for piston valves, but rotary valves are a
Couldn't you just use the other horn (the one you usually keep at school) for the
concert? It would make you feel more secure about the working parts and therefore
probably more secure with playing on the night.
Chris W
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Oops, I see you've already had this same advice (about using the other horn). Well I
guess that's part of the joy of communicating across a myriad of time zones!
Chris W
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Of Graeme Evans
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:37 AM
To: The Horn List
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Valves
The best way
Who uses oil lamps today? I have two in my house stocked at all times. We
always get a bad ice storm or two every now and then, and that always knocks out
the power for a day or two.
Flashlights are great, but oil lamps give off some nice warmth. Thankfully my
propane fireplace never will
Cum grano salis!
I've used it with no problem for god knows how long. I'll admit it lasts less
longer than other oils, but i've never had it gum any valves.
In fact, any chance you'll give me a good deal on what's left of your bottle?
Chris
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I have a tank of blue
Hmm... what horn do you have? It always gums up on me...
I have about 2/3 of the 8 oz. bottle left... email me privately for an offer
:P
-William
In a message dated 12/4/2003 5:15:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Cum grano salis!
I've used it with no problem for god
: Thursday, December 04, 2003 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Valves
My repairman is great about
this, I just give him a ring and he says when he's free.
Chris
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set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options
One ring to rule them all...
-William
In a message dated 12/4/2003 9:15:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Man, you introduce me to this guy! I have yet to find a repairman who does
pro bono work on short OR long notice. I guess that must be a pretty
expensive ring you
Josh Cheuvront wrote:
Man, you introduce me to this guy! I have yet to find a repairman who does
pro bono work on short OR long notice. I guess that must be a pretty
expensive ring you gave him!
Five golden rings!
Four calling birds, etc.
And a partridge in a pear tree
. If the ox arrives in front of the new door of the
stable .
Greetings
Hans
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Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 7:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [Hornlist] valves grease
That's what happens often when you buy a cheap grip! The best grip I've seen
floating around is the one made by leather specialties. Treated velvet (or
something like that) touches the horn, with plastic between the velvet and the
leather to prevent nastiness. www.brassarts.com has the best
In a message dated 12/3/2003 12:44:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Very important: water empty the horn carefully after playing oil the
horn then before laying it down for a while.
Rinse the horn several times a year, using a very mild detergent (dish
washer
. There is no end for intelligent advice
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Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 2:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [Hornlist] valves
I play off the leg--it's more flexible and helps breathing. However,one
disadvantage of playing off the leg is that it changes the balance point of the
horn, and the left hand has to pull the horn towards the face. Thus, I need
something to keep my fingers aligned with the keys. When I play on the
You could always get a PipStick...
I play off the leg all the time, and I never needed a pinky hook or flipper
or strap. I always found that if your left hand is at the proper angle and your
left hand is naturally 'grippy' enough so that you can pull the desired
amount.
But as a side note,
Hans,believe I am detecting a bit of German Scotch here??
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From: Hans Pizka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'The Horn List' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:52 AM
Subject: RE: [Hornlist] valves grease rinsing
a.g., insert bigger end of Mousepeice intwo
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Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:16 PM
To: The Horn List
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] valves grease rinsing
Hans,believe I am detecting a bit of German Scotch here??
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Holton rotor oil is very bad. It is an oil which dries out very rapidly and
is also difficult to apply. However since you only have three days, go down to
K-Mart or Wal-Mart. Look in the shower or bathroom section and find a shower
or sink hose attachment. They should have some for about 4
Michael, rinse the horn carefully, oil through slides (first slide),
perhaps loose the back screw of the trigger, give it a very light knock,
which might loosen a too tight bearing plate (the valve cap loosened
before (not unscrewed). Move the trigger. It should work then.
Regarding first chair:
I'm so glad you mentioned that Hans. I never understood the point of a
grip. I have had the misfortune of cleaning certain horns belonging to other
people only to remove the hand grip to find gobs of nasty green corrosion or
mildew. And then I was the one who had to clean that crap off and find
The valve maker is Meinlschmidt in Geretsried near Munich.
You have to understand that there is no alternative from tight or untight. A half
tight or less tight is contradicting tight.
There is no tighter. If the valve is tight it is tight. Punctum.
Null is equal null. Empty is empty. There is
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When I was Tester at Holton every horn was tested on a manometer to measure
blow-by throught the valves. The higher the reading the less air blowing past
the valves (less tight?) . There was a bottom line that was acceptable. I
tested over 40,000
At 08:24 PM 11/26/02 -0500, Wes Hatch wrote:
. . . Heaven forbid!! I even noticed a difference in the way an H179
played and the
way an H279( screw bell) played!
Vey interesting! Could you characterize the difference?
Jim
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I can take a wild guess on who the valves belong too, and I know who you are
talking about.
His first name begins with an E, and his last name is Schmid, hehehe
I have a 11 year old horn of his, and the valves work just as well as they
did the
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In a message dated 11/25/2002 4:03:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Certainly, smaller exclusive makers may have more quality control that
those of larger companies (eg. Alexander, Miraphone), but even so, I
have found
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