Richard V. West wrote:
For example, the second horn part (in D) of the Piano Concerto No. 1.
The first bar is notated as a low C in treble clef, but six bars
later the same low C turns up notated in old notation bass clef. Was
Brahms or the engraver trying to signal the horn player that the bass
The composers who lived and worked between the "old" and the "future"
may have had a dilemma during the transition to new notation. I'm
thinking of Johannes Brahms (or perhaps his copyist or publisher). For
example, the second horn part (in D) of the Piano Concerto No. 1. The
first bar is notat
Mayhew
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I prefer new notation, but it doesn't really matter which just as long as
there is some way to figure out which you are using. It would have been very
helpful if the
I prefer new notation, but it doesn't really matter which just as long as
there is some way to figure out which you are using. It would have been very
helpful if the old composers had marked their horn parts with either "old
notation" or "new notation."
Loren Mayhew
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I really don't care one way or the other, as long as it's obvious which it
is and it's consistent throughout all parts in the entire work. I would
expect new pieces to use new notation. I can see cases, however, where old
notation would eliminate pages full of ledger lines and/or clef changes,
th
New notation.
On 1/15/09, Ralph R. Hall wrote:
>
> Dear (Low) Hornists,
>
> I would like to trawl the hornlist for some opinions about bass clef
> preferences.
>
> As a composer/arranger and publisher (brasshausmusic.com), I would like to
> conduct a poll amongst low brass players to find the vox
I'm all for new notation, as it is consistent with the treble clef in pitch
relationship and allows lower parts to remain closer to the actual staff lines.
Are many living composers writing in old notation?
Orlando Pandolfi
Massachusetts
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I definitely prefer new notation for newer works. Maybe idiosyncratic/
Pavlovian, but I just sort of automatically associate old notation with
works for natural horn, just like a march on small, yellowish paper
means Horn in Eb...
And if it's not, my aging brain seems to have to do a "translatio
Hi,
New notation or treble (depending on how
low the parts go.
J. in KC
In a message dated 1/15/2009 1:46:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,
ra...@brasshausmusic.com writes:
Dear (Low) Hornists,
I would like to trawl the hornlist for some opinions about bass clef
preferences.
As a co
I prefer new notation. I was always taught (and I agree) that more than 3
ledger lines should be avoided if possible. But what is more important is that
it says in the part which form is being used!
Ben
--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Ralph R. Hall wrote:
From: Ralph R. Hall
Subject: [Hornlist] bass cl
I can read both without a problem. Sometimes old notation is much clearer
because with the really low notes there is no question as to whether its old
notation or not and as to what note one should play.
-William
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Hello Ralph,
I do prefer old bass clef notation, however with new music you had
better indicate this somewhere on the part so folks don't wonder. The
only rejoinder is that I would much rather just keeping it in the treble
clef unless necessary. Strauss was great composer and wrote great horn
par
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And the key of F as the best sounding key for the horns was
named as early as by Matheson & Meyer
"die lieblich pompoesen Waldhoerner in F" (the lovely
pompous horns in F)
Hans -- That F might or might not be the best or most "felicitous" key
in
n & Meyer
"die lieblich pompoesen Waldhoerner in F" (the lovely
pompous horns in F)
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Marc Gelfo wrote:
> Just curious -- why/how did old notation come about? Why would
"they" write the notes an octave below their sounding pitch? We
all know the disadvantages (non-contiguity with treble clef, more
ledger lines, e
Marc Gelfo wrote:
Hi all,
Just curious -- why/how did old notation come about? Why would "they" write
the notes an octave below their sounding pitch? We all know the disadvantages
(non-contiguity with treble clef, more ledger lines, etc.) but surely there must have
been some advantage?
Th
I do not recall any low note like this one written by Bizet.
The old notation of the Bass clef was like in the following
example (you do the mathematics by yourself; the notation is
in F, so to avoid confusion by mixing notation & actual
sound): bass clef, read note on first line from below, play
n
Hans Wrote:
Sorry, I have to jump in now. A question to the writer who
contributed >If the music is (pre- 1890) ... Are the notes
possible on a natural horn? >If not... then it is old
notation.> Why this assumption. The natural horn aera was
(nearly) over some 50 years earlier, say 1840 except in
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Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Bass clef
[ . . . ]
The only way getting out of such troubble: knowledge of
music.
How to get it: listen, listen, listen - but not to the all
time favourites exclusively. Broaden your knowledge.
Then, onl
;.
The same happen with the question of Bb-alto or Bb-basso.
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At 01:24 AM 4/1/2005, you wrote:
If the music is (pre- 1890) ... Are the notes possible on a natural horn?
If not... then it is old notation.
I would still be careful about this assumption. Some composers and
arrangers
follow the "old rules".
Personally, if it looks too low to be believed, it's
If the music is (pre- 1890) ... Are the notes possible on a natural horn? If
not... then it is old notation.
Aleks Ozolins
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Even more frustrating is when two different clefs are employed on the same line
with old notation. You will see horn C on the first ledger line below the
treble staff, followed by a bass clef second space C and assume new notation,
only to find impossible notes later on. Not great for sight-rea
You just have to use reason to figure it out. Ledger lines are an
indicator - the more ledger lines you see (below the staff, of course),
the more likely it is to be old notation.
Hope that helps.
Rory
Alex Damon wrote:
Hello all,
An offhand comment on the list a couple days ago prompted me to b
Hi,
I can't tell you when the world made a paradigm shift
to new notation, but if it looks unreasonably low,
chances are it's old.
Gary
--- Alex Damon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> An offhand comment on the list a couple days ago
> prompted me to bring up the
> following question:
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