Re: [I18n]So, will Bidi+Xterm happen ?

2002-03-01 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
NS - What are your comments on mlterm, patch27, biditext (have you NS used 'em) ? I haven't, as I don't speak any Semitic language. Which is exactly why I cannot make up an opinion before I see a description of what they are supposed to do. NS - Irrespective of various minor issues, what

Re: [I18n]So, will Bidi+Xterm happen ?

2002-02-28 Thread Nadim Shaikli
On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:05:09 + Markus Kuhn wrote: Juliusz Chroboczek wrote on 2002-02-26 10:15 UTC: - a number of people think that we should ``do BiDi in the terminal emulator''. They were not willing (or not able?) to define what it means to ``do BiDi in the terminal

Re: [I18n]So, will Bidi+Xterm happen ?

2002-02-28 Thread Markus Kuhn
Nadim Shaikli wrote on 2002-02-28 23:48 UTC: What are your comments on mlterm, patch27, biditext (have you used 'em) ? Can you send me a compact exact specification of the exact bidi semantics of these implementations? I haven't seen one yet and I don't have the time to reverse engineer these.

Re: [I18n]So, will Bidi+Xterm happen ?

2002-02-26 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On 26 Feb 2002, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: - everyone appeared to agree that there's a need for BiDi at the curses/slang level. This means that the terminal emulator-level BiDi, if any, must be switchable. For some reason, nobody seems interested in implementing BiDi at the

Re: [I18n]So, will Bidi+Xterm happen ?

2002-02-26 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On 26 Feb 2002, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: - some people produced analogies with luit, which to me seems to imply a lack of understanding of what luit does (luit has *no* notion of cursor position). Unless I'm missing something, BiDi really needs access to internal terminal emulator

Re: [I18n]So, will Bidi+Xterm happen ?

2002-02-26 Thread mcnichol
This is correct. The original CTL project make modifications to Motif 2.1, and a couple of CDE components (dtterm (terminal emulator), and dtcm (calander manager)). Dan Message: 2 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [I18n]So, will Bidi+Xterm happen ? From: Juliusz Chroboczek [EMAIL

Re: [I18n]So, will Bidi+Xterm happen ?

2002-02-25 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
Hi I don't wish to open the discussion again. Please don't make it such. I'm sticking to facts On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Akber Choudhry wrote: Let's try to attempt to sum up the issues: I believe that, as many people have pointed out, client-side bidi support (X client or program vs. X server

Re: [I18n]So, will Bidi+Xterm happen ?

2002-02-25 Thread Akber Choudhry
On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: I don't wish to open the discussion again. Please don't make it such. I'm sticking to facts Kubota-san wants an open discussion, as do many people. Perhaps the stifling technique is becoming less effective, as this has been defined as an urgent and

Re: [I18n]So, will Bidi+Xterm happen ?

2002-02-24 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2002, Roozbeh Pournader wrote about Re: [I18n]So, will Bidi+Xterm happen ?: 1) Try to change FriBidi's license: very hard, because of code borrowing from many different LGPL-ed projects. But most of the borrowed code is copyright

Re: [I18n]So, will Bidi+Xterm happen ?

2002-02-24 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: But I'm a little confused, when roozbeh said about FSF codes, I though that he means the autoconf and libtool stuff, but now you say that xterm uses autoconf too, doesn't using autoconf and libtool prevent it from being X compatible? I was

Re: [I18n]So, will Bidi+Xterm happen ?

2002-02-24 Thread Tomohiro KUBOTA
Hi, At Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:14:43 -0800 (PST), Nadim Shaikli wrote: I think we're loosing focus again on this topic (note subject :-) I imagine that people who are discussing about copyright problem will naturally think Xterm should support Bidi in future. Imagine, is it likely that a person

Re: [I18n]So, will Bidi+Xterm happen ?

2002-02-23 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Nadim Shaikli wrote: Can we put all the technical issues on the table to have a go at it ? There are certainly enough technically skilled people interested in making this happen to where it just might become a reality given enough direction from XFree proper on what is

[I18n]So, will Bidi+Xterm happen ?

2002-02-22 Thread Nadim Shaikli
Having read this widely popular thread :-) I'm still fuzzy about what the consensus was (if any) and what is needed to make the inclusion of Bidi into xterm a reality. I would like to note that there have been a number of calls along the lines of Bidi might/is difficult [in relation to terminal