VPW-Virtual Paper Writer

2006-06-01 Thread ANGEL LUIS DOMINGUEZ MARTIN
Hello listers, does anybody remember this old product? VPW. formely VIRTUAL PAPER WRITER was, even is, an IBM product in the 80's to recover data automatically from JES2-SPOOL and put into PO libraries. We abandon using it in 2001 but now we want to recover for a simple and specific

Nice Tool QCBTRACE

2006-06-01 Thread Roland Schiradin
I just found an interesting nice tool. It's called QCBTRACE and the menu looks like this SP7.0.4 HBB7707 -- MAIN REQUEST PANEL -- V6.M04B User Id => Enter selection number => 1 QCB search 2 PAGING options 3 I/O options 4 STORAGE displays

Re: Nice Tool QCBTRACE

2006-06-01 Thread Walt Farrell
On 6/1/2006 4:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just found an interesting nice tool. It's called QCBTRACE and the menu looks like this SP7.0.4 HBB7707 -- MAIN REQUEST PANEL -- V6.M04B User Id => Enter selection number => ...snipped... The author info returns AUTHOR=> Richard S. B

Re: LOAD parm question

2006-06-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 05/31/2006 at 07:50 PM, "Arthur T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I've been in the position of having to delete a member which had a >lower case letter as part of its name. "SMP made the sky Fall" (James Blish, Cities in Flight) gd&r -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Me

Re: DFDSS Question - THANKS

2006-06-01 Thread willie bunter
Thanks for your help. I tried it out and it worked as usual. Thanks. P.S. Regarding the % parm can I safely assume it picks up both alpha and numeric characters? When I ran my test since there were no numeric characters I cannot be sure. "McKown, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: SFTP vs FTPS

2006-06-01 Thread Kirk Wolf
Munif, I'm just curious, but can you elaborate on what you don't like about sftp. Was it: - lack of direct support for MVS datasets? - batch invocation problems (BPXBATCH issues)? - key authentication setup? - logging? - performance? - other? We are ourselves working on some solutions t

Re: Looking for a link to a book

2006-06-01 Thread Lester, Charles (LNG-DAY)
Thanks, Chris, but the mist is too heavy for me to locate any targets :-) Besides, I had one IBMer describe IBM as the monolith from 2001, with the same degree of imperviousness :-) Anyway, FWIW, with the information you provided and some additional poking around, I did find this location, which ma

RMF report - field description

2006-06-01 Thread Michael Schmutzok
I run certain daily RMF report class reports, the output of which I process with REXX. I pull out the values I need and graph them. Today I ran into a problem that I have been unable to resolve so far. When looking at the service units of a report class report, I see this: ---SERVICE IOC

Re: RMF report - field description

2006-06-01 Thread Edward Jaffe
Michael Schmutzok wrote: To date, I've only had to deal with a 'K' when dealing with the numbers. Now, I'm faced with an 'M', a 'P', and a 'G'. To now, I've gone with the assumption that 'K' has meant thousands (a reasonable assumption I felt). I'm willing to assume that 'M' means millions. Howev

Re: Using Java in batch on z/OS?

2006-06-01 Thread Timothy Sipples
Re: the "unused" IFL, could I suggest a use for it? If you have DB2, and you have ODBC or JDBC access to it, it's almost always a really, really good idea to put DB2 Connect on mainframe Linux. Just makes so much sense in nearly all such situations. There are other possibilities, but that's as c

Re: APPN connection

2006-06-01 Thread Chris Mason
Steve, ... which all means that, in your CONFIGxx member, you must specify the TRL member names before any major nodes which will need to refer to them. This then is probably what Abdullah needs to do. This same principle can also be applied to similar relationships such as model definitions and

Re: SFTP vs FTPS

2006-06-01 Thread Gray, Larry - Larry A
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Re: Using Java in batch on z/OS?

2006-06-01 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 9:21 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Using Java in batch on z/OS? > > > > Re: the "unused" IFL, could I suggest a use for it?

Google Architecture

2006-06-01 Thread Bill Richter
It appears that Google architecture is the antithesis of conventional mainframe application achitecture in all aspects. http://labs.google.com/papers/googlecluster-ieee.pdf -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access in

Re: PC Editor (was: favorite way to print mainframe assemblies)

2006-06-01 Thread Gray Maddry
I opened a question to IBM on why editors work and the answer I got was the editor had to edit the file in place and couldn't make a copy and edit the copy. In checking editor here is what I have found Editors that work with WSA - Notepad, PFE, THE, txtedit, vim, context, Crimson Editor Editors

Re: Using Java in batch on z/OS?

2006-06-01 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:20:57 +0900, Timothy Sipples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Re: the "unused" IFL, could I suggest a use for it? If you have DB2, and >you have ODBC or JDBC access to it, it's almost always a really, really >good idea to put DB2 Connect on mainframe Linux. Just makes so much se

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-01 Thread Steve Flynn
On 01/06/06, Bill Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It appears that Google architecture is the antithesis of conventional mainframe application achitecture in all aspects. http://labs.google.com/papers/googlecluster-ieee.pdf You may find this an interesting readd too... http://labs.google.co

Re: RMF report - field description

2006-06-01 Thread john gilmore
These are nothing but truncated versions of the IEC/NIST standard binary-multiple prefixes, constructed by analogy with the corresponding SI prefixes, since 2^10 = 1024 is approximately equal to 10^3 = 1000. 2^10 kibi Ki (SI decimal prefix is kilo) 2^20 mebi Mi (SI decimal prefix is mega)

Re: RMF report - field description

2006-06-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>P=1024 x 1024 x 1024 x 1024 x 1024 Is is 1024 or 1000? Remember, we have had this discussion before. In memory it is 1024. On disk it is 1000. For service units, I have always assumed 1000. - -teD 300,000 Kilometres per Second Not only is it a good idea! It's the LAW!!!

Re: PC Editor (was: favorite way to print mainframe assemblies)

2006-06-01 Thread Dave Salt
From: Gray Maddry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I opened a question to IBM on why editors work and the answer I got was the editor had to edit the file in place and couldn't make a copy and edit the copy. I'm not sure this is the full reason. I tried using UltraEdit (which makes a copy of the file and

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-01 Thread Craddock, Chris
> It appears that Google architecture is the antithesis of conventional > mainframe application achitecture in all aspects. > > http://labs.google.com/papers/googlecluster-ieee.pdf > Yup. That's what I've been telling you guys for the last couple of years. There are other approaches out there th

Re: RMF report - field description

2006-06-01 Thread Ken Porowski
But in the example given it doesn't add up (assuming the sample is from one interval) 3870M+39599K+0+9232K would not equal 18447P ---SERVICE IOC 3870M CPU 39599K MSO 0 SRB 9232K TOT 18447P /SEC 640512G -Original Message- Edward Jaffe Michael Schmutzok w

Slower run time with DATA(31) COBOL Option

2006-06-01 Thread Alan Schwartz
Greetings group. We have a bit of a puzzlement here and we're hoping someone can shed a little light on this. We've got an application that is working on becoming 31-bit capable. We got involved when they had a program using more cpu than before. By equalizing the compile options and re-comp

Re: IMS at the Crossroads?

2006-06-01 Thread Anton Britz
Hi Guys.. Just a few points here because at least, we have a few brain cells on this list. Even that bored IBM'er in Japan some where.. DB2 : Just quickly... Not sure if any of you where involved in the first release of DB2. Most of the code and ideas was "copied" . I did some DB2 course recent

Re: PC Editor (was: favorite way to print mainframe assemblies)

2006-06-01 Thread Gray Maddry
I agree that editing in place may not be the whole answer CPE from Compuware also had the option to edit in place and it wouldn't work either. I get use CPE as the browse option. I just couldn't save a file. I don't think the command invocation is the issue. All the editors I know can be started

Re: Slower run time with DATA(31) COBOL Option

2006-06-01 Thread Thomas, Jim
Al, Been a while .. Off the top, I'd say there's more than likely data24 modules. I do not think RMODE bears weight on where storage is obtained instead, if AMODE is 31, I think WS and TGT are above the line. >From a Strobe standpoint, I'd say, 'index' both, a DATA24 profile and a DATA31 prof

Re: IMS at the Crossroads?

2006-06-01 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Anton Britz > > Hi Guys.. > > [ snip ] > > Last point on DB2 : I hope you are aware that the current > DB2 customer base did not even go for V8. I am not sure what > V9 offers you yet but IBM could not sell V8 to

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-01 Thread Kirk Talman
Acutally financial query might use this architecture, except that the significant difference between this workload and "typical commercial" workloads -- they do no updates. Therefore no data integrity issues. Even a bankcard authorization requires the recording in a reliable way of the details

Re: IMS at the Crossroads?

2006-06-01 Thread Chris Hoelscher
Probably one major impediment to its "early" implementation was the **requirement** for a z/Box (64-bit architecture) on which to run it. another major impediment to its "early" release (at least for us) was the 12-month install deadline. We need to wait until we have non-distractable resource

Re: Automatic Restart Manager

2006-06-01 Thread Chris Mason
Jorge, You may also find the "z/OS Automatic Restart Manager" redpaper useful and, for those programs which have not been "ARMed" yet, there is a handy utility, ARMWRAP, which goes with it. Just enter ARMWRAP in the www.ibm.com Search box. Chris Mason - Original Message - From: "Jorge

Re: Nice Tool QCBTRACE

2006-06-01 Thread Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc
Walt, tnx seems I have to wait for others. I'll also try to contact Jim. I just played a bit with this tool and it's very nice. Wonder why *SOME* customer have it and others don't. Are there more of such "hidden" and useful tools? Why didn't IBM make the public on ASIS base (load-only) or put th

Re: Using Java in batch on z/OS?

2006-06-01 Thread Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc
1) Same here but using BPXBATCH. The z/OS R7 version is close to AOPBATCH. One large application and a small one. 2) DB2 via JDBC Type2 driver. 3) No not yet. Run some tests on CTS 2.3 in the past without any problem. Need to verify on CTS 3.1 current release 4) Same here code once runs every

Re: Nice Tool QCBTRACE

2006-06-01 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 18:24:45 +0200, Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Why didn't IBM make the public on ASIS base (load-only) or put >them on the CBTTAPE? > Never have.. doubt they ever will. But many of them are avialable via IBM web sites. IBM tools are not "freew

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-01 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Bill Richter wrote: It appears that Google architecture is the antithesis of conventional mainframe application achitecture in all aspects. http://labs.google.com/papers/googlecluster-ieee.pdf and the difference between that and loosely-coupled or parallel sysplex? long ago and far away, my

Re: Using Java in batch on z/OS?

2006-06-01 Thread Eric N. Bielefeld
I forgot who the original poster of this was, but when you said you had an unused IFL engine, did you mean there was an IFL engine on your machine that was just there, and if you used it you would then have to pay extra, or was it an IFL that you actually paid for or IBM threw in the deal when y

Re: IEF289E - WAITING FOR VOLUME(S) OR UNIT(S)

2006-06-01 Thread Carles Ari­s
Hi Ituriel, Did you find a way to know how deep the allocation queue is? Regards, Carles Aris La Caixa Spain -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message:

Re: IMS at the Crossroads?

2006-06-01 Thread R.S.
IMHO it is quite common, that production environment runs not on the newest version available. It is a matter of migration, quality, etc. It is also quite obvious the IMS is dying in some sense. Yeah, it's fast, it's reliable ...like TPF. Have you heard about new mainframe customer lately ? May

Re: RMF report - field description

2006-06-01 Thread Michael Schmutzok
I'm with Ken on that one. The numbers I give in the example are real numbers - I cut and pasted them into the email. They represent an 8 hour period (second shift). Using the definitions stated earlier by others, I can't get the numbers to add up either. What has also got me scratching my head are

Re: Using Java in batch on z/OS?

2006-06-01 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric N. Bielefeld > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 11:49 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Using Java in batch on z/OS? > > > I forgot who the original poster of this was, but wh

Re: RMF report - field description

2006-06-01 Thread Diehl, Gary (MVSSupport)
I wonder how valid the report data is. I've had problems with SCPER reports and CPU reports, for intervals where one LCPU was only online for a fraction of a second in the reporting interval, and RMF "freaked out" and reported unusually large numbers and other anomalous output. I coded my REXX wi

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-01 Thread Craddock, Chris
Lynn Wheeler wrote: > > > http://labs.google.com/papers/googlecluster-ieee.pdf > > and the difference between that and loosely-coupled or parallel sysplex? GOOGLE is certainly a loosely coupled architecture, but as you of all people would know, there are significant differences between that and

smf 119 03 ftpc tso

2006-06-01 Thread Joel Ivey
SMF type 119 subtype 03 recs are written as expected with batch ftp. However, when invoking ftp client through tso, evidently no 03 recs are cut to SMF. Subtypes 70 and 72 for server and login failures come through fine, but we're wanting to audit ftp client activity. The TCPIP SMFCONFIG has TY

Re: IEF289E - WAITING FOR VOLUME(S) OR UNIT(S)

2006-06-01 Thread Rob Weiss
If this is a "normal" event in your shop and it is causing serious delays, you might look at running JES3 rather than JES2. JES3 has a process called High Watermark Setup which prevents this problem and JES3 also requires all volumes to go through fetch before the JOB can be scheduled. The switch

Re: Nice Tool QCBTRACE

2006-06-01 Thread Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc
Yep Mark, but currently this tool is a hidden tool. Not available via IBM website or whatever. I saw this on one of my clients and it's a very nice tool. Seems some few customer have it and many don't. But who know's about it?? Of course I have a copy of it regardless I'm allowed or not. As Walt

Re: IMS at the Crossroads?

2006-06-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
> Last point on DB2 : I hope you are aware that the current > DB2 customer base did not even go for V8. Is this another on of your 'facts'? I know a lot of shops are now going to V8. This is the biggest DB2 conversion effort since 1.2 to 1.3. You need: z/OS 1.4 Enterprise COBOL 3.3 (3.2 will

RES: IEF289E - WAITING FOR VOLUME(S) OR UNIT(S)

2006-06-01 Thread Ituriel do Nascimento Neto
Carles, No, i could not determine queue length nor who is using it. I've opened a pmr at IBM but and the answer was "there is no way of doing that". Atenciosamente / Regards / Saludos Banco Bradesco S/A 4254/DPCD Alphaville Suporte Técnico - Software Básico Mainframes Ituriel do Nascimento Ne

Re: Nice Tool QCBTRACE

2006-06-01 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 19:53:32 +0200, Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Yep Mark, but currently this tool is a hidden tool. Not available via >IBM website or whatever. I saw this on one of my clients and it's a very nice >tool. Seems some few customer have it and many don'

Re: Using Java in batch on z/OS?

2006-06-01 Thread R.S.
McKown, John wrote: [...] I am the original poster. We have an IFL engine enable on our z890. We got it because we had one on our z800. Our z890 is an "upgrade" to our z800. It actually would have cost more in upgrade fees to upgrade to the z890 and disable the IFL than to continue to have the I

Re: Using Java in batch on z/OS?

2006-06-01 Thread Eric N. Bielefeld
John, Thanks for the info. I think its really cool that once you buy an IFL on one machine, when you upgrade you don't have to pay for another one. I don't think anyone else does that with hardware. Does that mean then that IFLs are so useless that IBM can't even give them away? That's pro

Re: Nice Tool QCBTRACE

2006-06-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>IBM tools are not "freeware". I've always seen disclaimers that say they are >owned and copyrighted by IBM. I think this is SOP for anything written by an >IBM employee while employed at IBM and using their machines. Stop that sentence at "... while employed at IBM". When I was out-sourced t

Re: JES vs JES (Was: IEF289E - WAITING FOR VOLUME(S) OR UNIT(S))

2006-06-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>I know this will start a logical argument in this discussion group. I worked at a JES3/JES2 shop many aeons ago. Two sites were JES2 and one was JES3. They were connected by NJE/NJP with many complications if jobs were submitted on one node and had to execute on a node with a different JES. Thi

Re: Using Java in batch on z/OS?

2006-06-01 Thread Richards.Bob
Eric, *All* specialty engines benefit from a model type change. When we got our z9s, our ICFs, zAAPs and IFLs are now faster. The zIIPs will also benefit from this. They are not useless. Real shops are saving real dollars! Just ask any shop that has zAAPs and runs WebSphere or SAP on z/OS. Plus,

Re: Slower run time with DATA(31) COBOL Option

2006-06-01 Thread Alan Schwartz
That was done. The person working on this conversion agrees with us that the section of Cobol code using the most cpu is: 17490 PERFORM 0222-MULTIPLE-LOSS-WRITES. 17494 PERFORM VARYING ACCUM-R FROM 1 BY 1 UNTIL 17495 ACCUM-R GREATER THAN 17496 MOVE ZERO TO WS-LOSS-

Re: Using Java in batch on z/OS?

2006-06-01 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Eric N. Bielefeld > > [ snip ] > Its a very strange market. I keep coming > back to the same point - why doesn't IBM just cut its prices They don't have to. > instead of making you jump through hoops to keep your

CEEPRMxx

2006-06-01 Thread Liliane L. Clever
Hello EveryOne, I just IPL Z/OS 1.7 on my test LPAR and am using the new CEEPRMxx PARMLIB member. My first try was unsuccessful. The system did not like my OVR parameters. We currently (under Z/OS 1.4) allow users to overwrite the majority of our default settings and we need to continue to

Re: DFDSS Question - THANKS

2006-06-01 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
Yes -Original Message- From: willie bunter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 6:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: DFDSS Question - THANKS Thanks for your help. I tried it out and it worked as usual. Thanks. P.S. Regarding the % parm can I safely as

Re: Slower run time with DATA(31) COBOL Option

2006-06-01 Thread Staller, Allan
This brings to mind on old issue I had at a previous employer. The issue came down to inappropriate defintions of numeric fields and data conversion. First the subscripts were display format. This caused the folloing sequence of instructions to be executed for each iteration of the subsript (per

Re: CEEPRMxx

2006-06-01 Thread Greg Shirey
>From APAR PK18558: PROBLEM #2 Description: Beginning at z/OS 1.7 (R720 HLE7720) CEEPRMxx members can be used to specify system wide default run-time options. However, the syntax for specifying the run-time options in CEEPRMxx does not allow for the OVR / NONOVR keywords to be specified.

Re: Using Java in batch on z/OS?

2006-06-01 Thread Edward Jaffe
Chase, John wrote: Why is gasoline nearly $3.00 / gallon? Because you don't live in California. We passed the $3 mark ages ago. :-( -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixs

Re: CEEPRMxx

2006-06-01 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Liliane L. Clever > > Hello EveryOne, > > I just IPL Z/OS 1.7 on my test LPAR and am using the new > CEEPRMxx PARMLIB member. My first try was unsuccessful. The > system did not like my OVR parameters. We current

Re: Using Java in batch on z/OS?

2006-06-01 Thread Richard Pinion
And what about the Europeans? Two years ago the Irish were paying .899 per liter. Do the math to determine how many liters per gallon. >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/1/2006 3:11:54 PM >>> Chase, John wrote: > Why is gasoline nearly $3.00 / gallon? Because you don't live in California. We passed the $

Re: Using Java in batch on z/OS?

2006-06-01 Thread R.S.
Edward Jaffe wrote: Chase, John wrote: Why is gasoline nearly $3.00 / gallon? Because you don't live in California. We passed the $3 mark ages ago. :-( Just to keep off-topic: Here, in Poland we pay $5.2 per gallon (assumed US gallon = 3.8 litre). Avg salary is $1 per year (brutto, yo

Re: Using Java in batch on z/OS?

2006-06-01 Thread Edward Jaffe
Richard Pinion wrote: And what about the Europeans? Two years ago the Irish were paying .899 per liter. Do the math to determine how many liters per gallon. Quite so. http://www.inc.com/slideshow_INC/slideviewer.cgi?list=gas-prices&refresh=8 -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software Internati

Re: Slower run time with DATA(31) COBOL Option

2006-06-01 Thread Kirk Talman
What is the definition of WS-LOSS-PAID-REINS, WS-LOSS-EXP-REINS? What does generated code look like? The SET implies ACCUM-R is an index, which is optimal. I once solved a problem like this by defining a pre-initialized parallel structure to one being cleared and using a group level move. I a

Re: Using Java in batch on z/OS?

2006-06-01 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe > > Chase, John wrote: > > Why is gasoline nearly $3.00 / gallon? > > Because you don't live in California. We passed the $3 mark > ages ago. :-( And you continue to pay whatever is demanded, because th

Re: Slower run time with DATA(31) COBOL Option

2006-06-01 Thread Alan Schwartz
Good idea. We'll see if this applies. Thanks Alan Schwartz Assurant Shared Business Services Lead Systems Programmer Phone: 651-361-4758 Fax: 651-361-5625 Kirk Talman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 06/01/2006 02:29 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discus

Re: CEEPRMxx

2006-06-01 Thread Liliane L. Clever
Thanks. Jump the gun on this one, did not do enough homework. That's what happens when you are a staff of one! Liliane At 03:09 PM 6/1/2006, Greg Shirey wrote: From APAR PK18558: PROBLEM #2 Description: Beginning at z/OS 1.7 (R720 HLE7720) CEEPRMxx members can be used to specify syste

Re: Using Java in batch on z/OS?

2006-06-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>And you continue to pay whatever is demanded, because the suppliers know you >still consider the alternatives to be too burdensome. Can you say "CA", "BMC", or "IBM", boys and girls? You summarised the mainframe price model in one sentence. (This thread just got back on topic) - -teD 300,000

Re: Using Java in batch on z/OS?

2006-06-01 Thread Mark Zelden
Just a note: Anyone who plans on or uses the RECEIVE ORDER feature of SMP/E 3.4 will be using Java in batch. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Programming expert at http://expert

Fw: IMS at the Crossroads?

2006-06-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
This was supposed to go to the list! Has something changed? Today, I have been finding almost every response going to the poster, rather than the list. --Original Message-- To: Wayne Driscoll Sent: Jun 1, 2006 16:57 Subject: Re: IMS at the Crossroads? >As Ted says, yes, the conversion

Re: Fw: IMS at the Crossroads?

2006-06-01 Thread Anton Britz
DB2 V8 : Some of the reasons I can recall : a) You could not upgrade to V8 unless you have a 64 bit machine.. Where in the World have you heard that a Software supplier forces you to run a 64 but machine before you can "Upgrade". The concept of 64-bit machines is basicly to allow you to move so

Fw: Fw: IMS at the Crossroads?

2006-06-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
--Original Message-- To: Anton Britz Sent: Jun 1, 2006 17:33 Subject: Re: Fw: IMS at the Crossroads? >Where in the World have you heard that a Software supplier forces you to run a >64 but machine before you can "Upgrade". The concept of 64-bit machines is basicly to allow you to move som

Re: Fw: Fw: IMS at the Crossroads?

2006-06-01 Thread Anton Britz
NO other DATABASE vendor FORCES you to change your hardware box to get additional "software" performance functionality for your SAP/PeopleSoft systems, which is not performing because the SAP/PeopleSoft vendors decided to use DB2. Now, before you start swearing/shooting/spitting again, this is

Re: Fw: Fw: IMS at the Crossroads?

2006-06-01 Thread Edward Jaffe
Ted MacNEIL wrote: IBM no longer supports 31-bit operating systems. So, why should they insist on that for their sub-systems? Exactly so! Every z/OS release since September 2004 requires z/Architecture. And, a mere nine months from now, the ESA/390 platform will be completely desupported b

Re: Fw: Fw: IMS at the Crossroads?

2006-06-01 Thread Wayne Driscoll
Anton, You clearly have an anti-IBM bias. Yes, DB2 V8 requires 64 bit hardware. However, current IBM operating systems also REQUIRE 64 bit hardware, so the requirement was coming, its just that DB2 V8 was ahead of the curve. With DB2 V7, if you went from a 31 bit operating system to a 64 bit oper

CEEPRMxx

2006-06-01 Thread Bill Klein
I know that others have pointed you to the place in the documentation that explicitly states that OVR/NOOVR is not supported via PARMLIB. HOWEVER, I thought that I would mention that it is my understand that not only is this intentional, but that IBM has an "undocumented statement of direction" t

Re: Fw: Fw: IMS at the Crossroads?

2006-06-01 Thread Anton Britz
Wayne, Not sure what you are smoking but the last time I looked, z/OS had a switch in parmlib that says "31 bit mode or 64 bit mode. You can run z/Os in any of the two modes and it works but some how DB2 V8 on the z/OS platform did not have that capability. Not talking about My/Sql on your

Re: Fw: IMS at the Crossroads?

2006-06-01 Thread Craddock, Chris
> DB2 V8 : Some of the reasons I can recall : > > a) You could not upgrade to V8 unless you have a 64 bit machine.. > Where in the World have you heard that a Software supplier forces you to > run a 64 but machine before you can "Upgrade". That happens all the time and not just in the mainframe a

Re: Fw: Fw: IMS at the Crossroads?

2006-06-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Not sure what you are smoking but the last time I looked, z/OS had a switch >in parmlib that says "31 bit mode or 64 bit mode. First, could you stop with the ad hominem? Second, that switch went away with 1.5 (1.6 at the latest). You have no choice with supported OS but to run with 64-bit.

Re: Fw: Fw: IMS at the Crossroads?

2006-06-01 Thread Edward Jaffe
Anton Britz wrote: Not sure what you are smoking but the last time I looked, z/OS had a switch in parmlib that says "31 bit mode or 64 bit mode. The last time you looked??! Dude, that must have been years ago! The Bi-Modal Accommodation feature was applicable to z/OS 1.2, 1.3, and 1.4 only!

Re: CEEPRMxx

2006-06-01 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/1/2006 2:38:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: what happens when you are a staff of one! >> All the glory and all the blame? Seems like staffing would be an auditor requirement just like backups and UPSes? --

Re: Fw: Fw: IMS at the Crossroads?

2006-06-01 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/1/2006 4:53:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: will be completely desupported by z/OS. Why on earth would those involved in a major DB2 rewrite, targeted for generally availability *after* September 2004, waste time "dual pathing" all of their co

Re: Fw: Fw: IMS at the Crossroads?

2006-06-01 Thread Edward Jaffe
Ed Finnell wrote: It is my understanding there are far-eastern companies paying IBM millions per month for DB/2 1.3 support! Stuff happens. Mergers don't, staff gets rerouted, education plans get sidetracked. Projects get dropped and then the new stuff turns out to be the application from Vo

Re: Fw: Fw: IMS at the Crossroads?

2006-06-01 Thread Wayne Driscoll
Anton, A few points, on this message, and others by you in this thread. 1 - Yes, as recently as 3 years ago, current z/OS releases had a "switch" to designate 31 bit or 64 bit. This switch was in the OS, not in application code. In addition, this switch allowed a customer to perform 1 install of

Re: SFTP vs FTPS

2006-06-01 Thread John S. Giltner, Jr.
At my shop the main reason we did not like it because of the lack of support for MVS files. We have found that if you have FTP servers and clients that support the EPSV4 command NAT is not an issue. Kirk Wolf wrote: Munif, I'm just curious, but can you elaborate on what you don't like abo

IPCS Clist Evaluate command and character strings

2006-06-01 Thread Wayne Driscoll
I am writing a number of IPCS clists and and I have a question about the EVALUATE command. I am using the command to extract a character string from the dump for use in a NOTE command. However, the character string contains mixed case data, yet the CLIST variable always contains an uppercased ver

Re: IPCS Clist Evaluate command and character strings

2006-06-01 Thread Brian Peterson
Standard CLIST processing might be doing this translation. Does the CLIST command CONTROL ASIS help? This CLIST command is mentioned in the IPCS manual as well >From the IPCS Commands manual: "If you use this subcommand in a CLIST, the message text is normally translated to upperc

Re: Fw: Fw: IMS at the Crossroads?

2006-06-01 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/1/2006 6:18:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: True. But, such paid product support extensions have absolutely no bearing on new development. >> Define new development? Most small to medium businesses evolve current working/paying applications

Re: IPCS Clist Evaluate command and character strings

2006-06-01 Thread Wayne Driscoll
Brian, Thanks for the suggestion, I saw that note as well. Clist has CONTROL ASIS as the first line, and the NOTE commands use ASIS as well, I think that their needs to be an ASIS option on the EVALUATE command. Wayne -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL P