Re: Crazed idea: SDSF for z/Linux

On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:16:54 -0600, Kirk Wolf wrote: >So long as crazed ideas are on the table, how about putting key MVS I/O >subsystems in VM and providing "diagnose" interfaces to them from guests? If the spool is kept in datasets, CMS may already be able to read them. Alan Altmark z/VM De

Re: Crazed idea: SDSF for z/Linux

On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:59:41 -0500, Thompson, Steve wrote: >Yes this raises security issues. But you have physical access in this >case. If these things are only given to the root or a special user w/in >the *nix environment, you have addressed much of the security issues. > >If you are running un

Re: Need tool to zap core

From: Elardus Engelbrecht To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 6:07:49 AM Subject: Re: Need tool to zap core Ed Gould wrote: >We had a IBM PSR at the time and if found anything remotely pointing at the product he would refuse to work on the prob

Item on TPF

In the most recent issue (arrived in todays mail) of Z Journal there is a decent article on TPF. I just looked and its not posted online yet at mainframezone.com . What else is interesting and quite comical (at least to me) is an article about issues with z/dos (or whatever IBM calls it now day

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

I am kind of surprised that I have not seen MUSIC (sp?). I do not remember the history other than I think the University of Toronto (i think they picked up from University Mcgill. Not sure at all about that. Somewhere around 1995 there was a company here in Chic

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

-SNIP- If you've sufficiently mastered the art of salesmanship, you should be able to get any job you want. For example, name the only so-far-unquestioned "qualification" of our current President. -jc- John: Or the Governor o

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Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. On 02/25/2010 09:21 PM, Clark Morris wrote: > Would Multics have been a good base for a modern operating system? Was > killing Multics a mistake? re: http://www.ga

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

On 2/25/2010 3:39 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote: That's true but I've actually seen at least one shop that converted WYLBUR to a TSO Command Processor. The logic of doing that excapes me completely... Wylbur has the most powerful LIST and CHANGE commands around; some installations might consider tha

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

On 2/25/2010 8:39 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: Two different products, eventually under one roof. Gerhard, can you give a blow by blow history? AFAIK, Wylbur was started at SLAC by Paul Anderson, John Borgelt, and Roger Fajman (possibly as a thesis work). I'm not sure how many contribu

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Clark Morris wrote: > How much of the problems with Windows in a commercial environment come > about because people don't pay attention to the warnings and logs that > Windows provides? I am fairly certain that a well disciplined shop > (one that test fixes where

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

On 25 Feb 2010 11:12:51 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >OK, could we please drop all political discussions? Pretty please? With sugar >on it? > >Or, if we're going to be nasty, then let's go after the Windows Weenies. How much of the problems with Windows in a commercial environment

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

I'm pretty sure we ran Wylbur on the commercial system (a NAS 8043) in at least 1985-86, and I believe it was available for all customers, though I'm not a Wylbur expert. Alpha was also available, though it may have been running on the 3033. Alpha was a bit more archaic than Wylbur. IIRC, it

Re: What is a Server? (Was "FTP Datahub Question")

And to really "put lipstick on the pig" we do WOR, FEPI. :-) On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Gibney, Dave wrote: > I have "client" and "server" address spaces running in the same LPAR > :) > Among others, we run CICS MRO :)) > > Dave Gibney > Information Technology Services > Washington State

Re: What is a Server? (Was "FTP Datahub Question")

I have "client" and "server" address spaces running in the same LPAR :) Among others, we run CICS MRO :)) Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On > Behalf Of How

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

Well that was coordinated -- a double misfire, hit Reply instead of Next and then Send instead of Discard. Sorry 'bout that. On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:36 PM, zMan wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:09 PM, John Mattson > wrote: > >> Now to get silly... >> For the truely indecisive... it is possi

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:09 PM, John Mattson wrote: > Now to get silly... > For the truely indecisive... it is possible to stand on the corner of > Wilbur and Roscoe in Los Angeles > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / arch

Re: ServerPac a modest proposal... RACFDRV LIST

I too agree with John's suggestion, but I see another problem with it.  The RACF rules/database are differnt for each of our LPARs.  It would be wonderful to be able to use a tool to help configure each of the LPARs.  If it is only based on my driving system - well that's my test bed, not produc

Re: Need tool to zap core

On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:46:08 -0500 "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" wrote: :>In , on 02/25/2010 :> at 04:49 PM, Binyamin Dissen said: :>>I used it on virtual addresses. As long as the page is in. :>How do you get the HMC to use the correct translate tables? This was ALTER/DISPLAY on a 3083. I als

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

...anybody play with INTERACT? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 11:28 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure In <4b864c46.8

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

Now to get silly... For the truely indecisive... it is possible to stand on the corner of Wilbur and Roscoe in Los Angeles -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu wi

Re: Need tool to zap core

In , on 02/25/2010 at 04:49 PM, Binyamin Dissen said: >I used it on virtual addresses. As long as the page is in. How do you get the HMC to use the correct translate tables? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

In <351fdc6ace57d14b94beb5529e85df8e9112d0e...@exchmail1.courts.wa.gov>, on 02/25/2010 at 08:11 AM, "Longnecker, Dennis" said: >I don't know if this is a good thing or not, Does making me jealous make it a bad thing? >but we still run SuperWylbur That's good for you. >it remains a very po

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

In <4b864c46.8489.00d...@joann.com>, on 02/25/2010 at 10:09 AM, Scott Rowe said: >Possibly Comnet? They used Wylbur on the EPA system, but they used a homegrown system called Alpha on their commercial system. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

In , on 02/25/2010 at 12:11 PM, Clark Morris said: >We used WYLBUR (I THINK OBS version) at Westinghouse Lamp Divisions on a >360/65. I had been given to understand that ORVYL (sp.?) was the TP >monitor portion of WYLBUR. No, that's MILTEN. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JO

Re: Best practice for 24-bit storage in assembler called from C/C++

In <4b86718e.3070...@gmail.com>, on 02/25/2010 at 08:48 PM, David Crayford said: >Since your talking about concurrency let's take the C global errno as an >example. Not too crash hot when >it comes to multi-threaded programs. That's where TLS (thread local >storage) comes to the rescue. Why

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

In <23b13969513a9846a621a4620543d4f9649086a...@cdcmw12e.na.convergys.com>, on 02/25/2010 at 08:10 AM, John Kington said: >WYLBUR was used at University of Cincinnati in the mid 80's when I was >learning to program. Much better for an imperfect typist like me than the >ancient keypunch machines

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

>LISP = LOTS of INSERTED STUPID PARENTHESES. I had to use both PROLOG and LISP in my AI course at UOW, in 1977. My brain still hurts! - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instr

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

>Hrm. You're thinking K&R, the C book. Ken Thompson originated Unix. They, since they were all working at Bell Labs, were all involved. The team was: Ken Thompson Dennis Ritchie Brian Kernighan Douglas McIlroy Joe Ossanna - Too busy driving to stop for gas! --

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

-- We used WYLBUR (I THINK OBS version) at Westinghouse Lamp Divisions on a 360/65. I had been given to understand that ORVYL (sp.?) was the TP monitor portion of WYLBUR. Nev

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

>I believe at the time they were somehow forced by hardware constraints or >system availability to scale MULTICS down to one object or so they dubbed it >UNIX. It wasn't quite that bad. It was more that they saw it as a toy rather than a real system. They wrote it because they could. - Too busy

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

LISP could cause permanent brain damage! - LISP = LOTS of INSERTED STUPID PARENTHESES. :-) Rick --

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 15:33 -0500, Ted MacNEIL wrote: > Creators. > Kernigan (sp?) > and Ritchie. Hrm. You're thinking K&R, the C book. Ken Thompson originated Unix. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instruct

Re: Best practice for 24-bit storage in assembler called from C/C++

- If you've ever done list processing, CONTROLLED storage is the cat's meow. Beats the Dickens out of trying to maintain arrays and array counters, especially if there's a chance of exceeding the size of the arrays. ... How is CONTROLLED

Re: LPARs: More or Less?

Prior to MFT II and HASP II, HASP also automated the control of partitions in MFT, but I'm not going to ask you to believe just how bad the facilities were; suffice it to say that the original MFT without HASP or ASP was a nightma

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

>Creators. >Kernigan (sp?) >and Ritchie. >They admitted that UNIX was a play on the 'word' MULTICS. Correct. That is what I read. I believe at the time they were somehow forced by hardware constraints or system availability to scale MULTICS down to one object or so they dubbed it UNIX. On Thu,

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

In a message dated 2/25/2010 2:33:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, eamacn...@yahoo.ca writes: They admitted that UNIX was a play on the 'word' MULTICS. >> _http://multicians.org/_ (http://multicians.org/) -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

-- The phrase "WYLBUR/TSO" confirms my suspicion that someone was very confused; the two are very different animals. --- That's true but I've actually seen at least one shop that converted

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

suspect he may have meant ORVYL, the interactive exuction companion to WYLBUR. We never ran it, so I don't know much about it. Did anyone use it other than Stanford? -- We used it at AMA

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

>I believe I read somewhere, a UNIX book, that multics was the forerunner of >UNIX and inspired its creator at Bell Labs Creators. Kernigan (sp?) and Ritchie. They admitted that UNIX was a play on the 'word' MULTICS. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. gahe...@gmail.com (George Henke) writes: > I believe I read somewhere, a UNIX book, that multics was the forerunner of > UNIX and inspired its creator at Bell Labs

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

Anne & Lynn Wheeler writes: > some of the 7094/ctss people went to the science center on 4th flr of > 545 tech sq (cp40/cms on a specially modified 360/40 with virtual memory > hardware, morphed into cp67/cms when standard virtual memory became > available on 360/67, invented GML ... which later m

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. Anne & Lynn Wheeler writes: > some of the 7094/ctss people went to the science center on 4th flr of > 545 tech sq (cp40/cms on a specially modified 360/40 with vir

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) > > In <3edd8e2b1002211103t266af34er8393631b18756...@mail.gmail.com>, on > 02/21/2010 >at 02:03 PM, zMan said: > > >I do get a few resumes from folks who have been on the bench for a whil

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

OK, could we please drop all political discussions? Pretty please? With sugar on it? Or, if we're going to be nasty, then let's go after the Windows Weenies. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

On 25 Feb 2010 09:57:52 -0800, jch...@ussco.com (Chase, John) wrote: >If you've sufficiently mastered the art of salesmanship, you should be >able to get any job you want. For example, name the only >so-far-unquestioned "qualification" of our current President. That's it. Let's start a rumor t

Re: Need tool to zap core

On 24 February 2010 17:54, Mark Jacobs wrote: > TESTAUTH. It's protected by a SAF profile. Yup. But it still doesn't have any commands that will modify protected storage, or for that matter, fetch from fetch-protected storage. Of course the authorized program you run under it can do anything it w

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

My point was that java and the other languages, though not easy, are relatively easier to learn than operating systems and subsystem software products which have to be paid for and deployed in a real work environment - not just from a desktop at home. -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

I get a lot of these editors mixed up now. I have used several. The last one my current shop used was SYSD, we got rid of it because it was the only application we had using CICS, and CICS was expensive for that one application. --

Re: Need tool to zap core

Martin Kline wrote: >I've always interpreted that 'first time' reference to only include things that actually happen. For example: programming errors occur, so there must have been a FIRST program error, or bad vendor products are sold, so there must have been a first bad product. But to assume som

Re: ServerPac a modest proposal... RACFDRV LIST

I agree with John's suggestion but I actually have two objections to RACFDRV: 1. John's objection and suggestion 2. Often the setup/configuration/sample is quite far from a good RACF implementation. It is merely a "functional" one. Hayim _ Hayim Sokols

Re: ServerPac a modest proposal... RACFDRV LIST

Having spent hours slogging through those 'updates' and making them fit our system, I think that this is certainly an area needing work. I'd love to see some sort of process that somehow looks at the driving system and suggests only the needed changes. -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) > Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 10:08 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer > (warning: Conley rant)

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: > IBM was using BSL for OS/360, especially TSO. Nor was IBM the first to use > a HLL to write a comm

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

Uh oh, we've got a teabagger on the list! Watch the hyperbole and incoherence fly while we pretend the last ten years were somehow a lifetime ago. http://www.viceland.com/int/v12n8/htdocs/its.php Scott On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Chase, John wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Chase, John wrote: > If you've sufficiently mastered the art of salesmanship, you should be > able to get any job you want. The "art of salesmanship" and "z/OS system programmer" are usually not used in the same sentence, alas. > For example, name the only >

Re: Crazed idea: SDSF for z/Linux

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. john.mck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown, John) writes: > This just occurred to me. I wonder if I'm suffering from lack of > oxygen to the brain. But, as best as I can

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

In , on 02/24/2010 at 04:44 PM, jack.hamil...@kp.org said: >WYLBUR was used by Stanford and SLAC, and by some other academic >institutions. Wylbur was used by a lot of shops, but I'm not aware of anyone else using ORVYL. >There's a commercial version called SuperWylbur, AFAIK they still m

Re: catalog a vsam dataset in another catalog ?

In <42a1afad1002220649x5499e22vf319f85f3bec8...@mail.gmail.com>, on 02/22/2010 at 09:49 AM, larry macioce said: >Is there a way to do this? Just copy it with a new name; it doesn't have to be cataloged in the COD master catalog in order for IPL to use it. If you want the ability to update it

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

In <969818.91284...@web54607.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, on 02/21/2010 at 09:53 PM, Ed Gould said: >Reminds me of a performance issue I had with EREP. I ran into a couple of problems where a simple zap could speed things up by an order of magnitude. >This was not a assembler vs PLS issue per se but

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer

In , on 02/22/2010 at 06:04 PM, George Henke said: >Indeed, back then all of us were just liberal arts majors No. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress.

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

In , on 02/22/2010 at 09:31 AM, "Barkow, Eileen" said: >It is not easy learning java and the other languages (especially C), Any competent programmer should be able to pick up a new language easily, although it may take a while to become proficient. The first language is the hardest. --

Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)

In <4b814213.8070...@mentor-services.com>, on 02/21/2010 at 09:24 AM, Mike Myers said: >MVS was written in PL/S at the outset in 1972-1974. The use of PL/S was >strategicas it was a structured language which would be more >self-documenting than assembler and therefore easier to debug. IBM w

Re: catalog a vsam dataset in another catalog ?

In , on 02/22/2010 at 04:10 PM, John Kelly said: >I know that I have SYS1 HLQ page DSNs, rather than PAGE, but I haven't >been able to simple recatalog the page DSNs since 1.7, I also don't >understand how you could use them while the other system is up, Why not, as long as the other syst

Re: URGENT - PROBLEM WHILE STARTING JES2

solved... someone defined the disk of which the user catalog was on to be offline. thanks all for your help. On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:37 PM, John Mattson wrote: > I must "me-too" here. Minimizing what is in your PROCLIB(JES2) and > putting the procs in PARMLIB(JES2PARM) is WONDERFUL. One of

Extended Alias support for PDS/E members

One of our developers wants to use extended alias for non-program object members in a PDS/E. The developer can't find any documentation that says it doesn't work even though it I thought it was developed for program objects. Can anyone enlighten me on the question posed to me by the developer?

Re: Crazed idea: SDSF for z/Linux

So long as crazed ideas are on the table, how about putting key MVS I/O subsystems in VM and providing "diagnose" interfaces to them from guests? Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Thompson, Steve < steve_thomp...@stercomm.com> wrote: >

Re: Crazed idea: SDSF for z/Linux

-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 10:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Crazed idea: SDSF for z/Linux The z/OS JES spool. But it might be interesting to have similar fo

Re: Crazed idea: SDSF for z/Linux

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of zMan > Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:15 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Crazed idea: SDSF for z/Linux > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:13 AM, McKown, John < > john.mck.

Re: URGENT - PROBLEM WHILE STARTING JES2

I must "me-too" here. Minimizing what is in your PROCLIB(JES2) and putting the procs in PARMLIB(JES2PARM) is WONDERFUL. One of JES2's sweetest improvements ever. You can dynamically change them, use user cats etc etc. Thanks, IBM !!! If your shop has not done this yet, I highly recommend

Re: CEEOPTS DD error message - when I'm not even using it!

Lizette, Thanks again. The APAR you pointed to was the problem for us. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex R. Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: CEEOPTS DD error

Re: URGENT - PROBLEM WHILE STARTING JES2

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden > Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:52 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: URGENT - PROBLEM WHILE STARTING JES2 > > On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:37:18 +0200, Matan Cohe

Re: URGENT - PROBLEM WHILE STARTING JES2

Depending on your level of z/OS you might want to look at the PROCLIB statement in JES2. It might help in these types of situations. Lizette > >i marked the line below and jes2 start successfully : >//* DD DSN=CSQ700.SCSQPROC,DISP=SHR >this line is under proc00 on the jes2 proc, un

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

On 25 Feb 2010 05:11:20 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >>>I suspect he may have meant ORVYL, the interactive exuction companion to >>>WYLBUR. We never ran it, so I don't know much about it. >> >>Did anyone use it other than Stanford? > >WYLBUR was used at University of Cincinnati in th

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

I don't know if this is a good thing or not, but we still run SuperWylbur . . . it remains a very powerful tool. ? show cpu CPUID:OACT CPU Type: 2098 CPU Ser. No.: ## #CPUs Online: 1

Re: URGENT - PROBLEM WHILE STARTING JES2

>i marked the line below and jes2 start successfully : >//* DD DSN=CSQ700.SCSQPROC,DISP=SHR >this line is under proc00 on the jes2 proc, until now it work perferctly i >don't know what change. You can save yourself a lot of issues by taking the PROCs out of JCL and letting JES2 dynam

Re: Crazed idea: SDSF for z/Linux

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Kirk Wolf > Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:28 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Crazed idea: SDSF for z/Linux > > John, > > SDSF uses the SSI and Spool browse facility

Re: URGENT - PROBLEM WHILE STARTING JES2

On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:37:18 +0200, Matan Cohen wrote: >i marked the line below and jes2 start successfully : >//* DD DSN=CSQ700.SCSQPROC,DISP=SHR >this line is under proc00 on the jes2 proc, until now it work perferctly i >don't know what change. >i have some more DD under proc00 which

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

Many years ago I worked at American Electric Power in NYC. We had our engineering computer there and we ran WYLBUR and ROSCO. That was in the mid to late 70's, I think. We had billing systems in Canton, OH., but I don't know what they were using there. Chris Blaicher Phone: 512-340-6154 Mobi

Re: Need tool to zap core

Mike Just yesterday I was trying to recall which colleagues I had worked with more than once during my career. One of them I fondly remember was a key character in a story I file under "The Back Stairs". The relevance will become apparent. The salesmen lived - mainly - on the 7th floor (we won

Re: URGENT - PROBLEM WHILE STARTING JES2

i marked the line below and jes2 start successfully : //* DD DSN=CSQ700.SCSQPROC,DISP=SHR this line is under proc00 on the jes2 proc, until now it work perferctly i don't know what change. i have some more DD under proc00 which are not in the master catalog . On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4

Re: Crazed idea: SDSF for z/Linux

On 02/25/2010 09:13 AM, McKown, John wrote: This just occurred to me. I wonder if I'm suffering from lack of oxygen to the brain. But, as best as I can tell, SDSF is capable of accessing the SPOOL files for a non-active JES2 system. At least as I recall from the past, I did this. So I got to w

Re: Crazed idea: SDSF for z/Linux

John, SDSF uses the SSI and Spool browse facility (allocation of subsystem datasets). I don't see either of these running on z/Linux with shared DASD easily. What about FTP or SSH SFTP from Linux to z/OS for spool access? FWIW, we recently added some support for spool status and file access in

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of jack.hamil...@kp.org Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure WYLBUR was used by Stanford and SLAC, and by some o

Re: Crazed idea: SDSF for z/Linux

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:13 AM, McKown, John < john.mck...@healthmarkets.com> wrote: > This just occurred to me. I wonder if I'm suffering from lack of oxygen to > the brain. But, as best as I can tell, SDSF is capable of accessing the > SPOOL files for a non-active JES2 system. At least as I re

Crazed idea: SDSF for z/Linux

This just occurred to me. I wonder if I'm suffering from lack of oxygen to the brain. But, as best as I can tell, SDSF is capable of accessing the SPOOL files for a non-active JES2 system. At least as I recall from the past, I did this. So I got to wondering. Suppose I have a z/Linux system runn

Re: CEEOPTS DD error message - when I'm not even using it!

Allan, Thanks, but I don't think this is the problem. I have the PARMLIB member defined and I activated it last night to no avail. This morning I even added a DD card for CEEOPTS and bounced the CV. No difference. I believe Lizette found the problem as a CA patch to IDMS. Rex -Original Me

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Scott Rowe wrote: > Possibly Comnet? > Or SkyNet. :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO S

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

Possibly Comnet? >>> Lloyd Fuller 2/25/2010 9:48 AM >>> I used WYLBUR (or maybe SuperWYLBUR) in the late 1970s at a time-sharing company in the Washington DC area. I do not remember the name of the company. Lloyd --- On Thu, 2/25/10, John Kington wrote: > From: John Kington > Subject: Re:

Re: CEEOPTS DD error message - when I'm not even using it!

Thanks, Lizette. My DBA missed this when she was wandering around CA's website yesterday. She's planning on putting the APAR on. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:59 AM

Interact, was:Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 19:44 -0500, jack.hamil...@kp.org wrote: > I think there was another commercial > version called Interact from Online Business Systems Yeah, this comes up every couple of years here. See: http://www.mail-archive.com/ibm-main@bama.ua.edu/msg45818.html -- David Andrews A. D

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

We used OBS Wylbur in the late 80's and early 90's in the UK (British Aerospace), I have fond memories of it, quirks and all! I believe the main justification was to avoid giving everyone 'resource hungry' TSO userids. Phil -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

Well, we seem to have totally hijacked this thread, so I'll chime in: UofWaterloo used Wylbur heavily for a long time. When explaining to someone how to do something that involves using an editor to make a change, I still find myself adding "nolist" occasionally, as in, "OK, you need to change x

Re: Need tool to zap core

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:31:58 -0500 "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" wrote: :>In <8umao5djcg6ub3m98u7naoe2sboe7cb...@4ax.com>, on 02/24/2010 :> at 07:03 PM, Binyamin Dissen said: :>>If you have access to the HMC you can use whatever the alter/display :>>screens are called nowadays. :>AFAIK that wor

Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure

I used WYLBUR (or maybe SuperWYLBUR) in the late 1970s at a time-sharing company in the Washington DC area. I do not remember the name of the company. Lloyd --- On Thu, 2/25/10, John Kington wrote: > From: John Kington > Subject: Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure > To: IBM-MAIN@bama

Re: Need tool to zap core

>>Never resulted in an IPL with my own such code . :) >There is always a FIRST time combined with Murphy's law, then you'll be >zapped by your boss. ;-D I've always interpreted that 'first time' reference to only include things that actually happen. For example: programming errors occur, so the

Re: URGENT - PROBLEM WHILE STARTING JES2

All possible descriptions for that can be found in 'MVS-system codes' for code 0B0 , reason 3C. On 25.02.2010 15:29, Martin Kline wrote: when the system start jes2 it failed and i get the following message : *16.15.02 *IEF431E ZERO QMPA POINTER FOUND. SWA MANAGER REASON CODE=3C

Re: Need tool to zap core

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. m...@mentor-services.com (Mike Myers) writes: > Back in the '60s, the Field Engineering Division took over first-level > support of OS/360, creating a new kind of C

Re: URGENT - PROBLEM WHILE STARTING JES2

What does your JES2 proc look like? Are all datasets in it catalogued in the MASTER catalog? Are all datasets in the proc properly catalogued? I.e. the correct device type a volser. One thing that occurs to me might be that something is indirectly catalogued (to volser **), but with a DEVT o

Re: URGENT - PROBLEM WHILE STARTING JES2

>when the system start jes2 it failed and i get the following message : > *16.15.02 *IEF431E ZERO QMPA POINTER FOUND. SWA MANAGER >REASON CODE=3C Make sure all of the datasets referenced in the JES2 JCL are cataloged in the master catalog. ---

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