Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-08 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Where I'm at now, they just got rid of File Manager and went back to File-Aid, which they had before. The programmers liked File-Aid better. I remember, some time in the 90's, getting Ditto in. We had used the old Ditto, which I think was the same one back from VS1 days. The operators hated

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-08 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ken Porowski > > IBM* DITTO/ESA for OS/390 or MVS Version 1 Release 3 > > Is what I have. > I've been ordering it with my ServerPac's for every z/OS > release I've had. > Not really changed since the ESA days (as

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-08 Thread Jim McAlpine
On 5/7/08, Ken Porowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > IBM* DITTO/ESA for OS/390 or MVS Version 1 Release 3 > > Not sure if File Manager is really a replacement, I thought it was a > competitor for Compuware File-Aid File Manager incorporates Ditto but includes MUCH, MUCH more functionality. Ji

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-07 Thread CICS Guy
the CICS Guy.. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3420 old tapes In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 05/06/2008 at 02:24 PM

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 05/06/2008 at 02:24 PM, Todd Burrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I am trying to read these files on a 3420 tape What kind of tape? 7-track or 9-track? >When I run tape map Which tape map? On what kind of drive? > I am trying to read these files on a 3420 tape >d

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-07 Thread Ken Porowski
IBM* DITTO/ESA for OS/390 or MVS Version 1 Release 3 Is what I have. I've been ordering it with my ServerPac's for every z/OS release I've had. Not really changed since the ESA days (as you can tell by it's name). IMHO lost some functionality when they added security to it (If I KNEW the %$#* d

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-07 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex R. > > I'm pretty sure Ditto is only shipped with z/OS if you pay for it. I believe it's called File Manager nowadays, and it is a priced product. We demo'd Version 1.0 "way back when", and at the time i

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-07 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
I'm pretty sure Ditto is only shipped with z/OS if you pay for it. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glen Gasior Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 2:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3420 old tapes Can the ta

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-07 Thread Glen Gasior
Do you have SAS ? What does PROC TAPEMAP show you ? On 5/6/08, Todd Burrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello: > I have an oldie but a goodie. One of our user areas sent us 9 3420 tapes > today, and some of them appear to be 800 BPI. When I run tape map against > the tape I get the data in t

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-07 Thread Glen Gasior
Can the tape be read with DITTO ? IIRC, ditto is now shipped with z/OS. On 5/6/08, Todd Burrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello: > I have an oldie but a goodie. One of our user areas sent us 9 3420 tapes > today, and some of them appear to be 800 BPI. When I run tape map against > the tape

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-07 Thread Burrell, C. Todd (CDC/OCOO/ITSO) (CTR)
: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3420 old tapes Wow - you hadn't used the drives for 3 years and they actually worked when you brought them online! When I was at P&a

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-07 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Wow - you hadn't used the drives for 3 years and they actually worked when you brought them online! When I was at P&H, we had 2 3420s left until about a year before the datacenter closed. My experience with those old IBM drives was the rubber hoses tended to get dryed out and crack. I know

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-07 Thread Burrell, C. Todd (CDC/OCOO/ITSO) (CTR)
DC in any capacity is invited to participate in our survey. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Harminc Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 5:36 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3420 old tapes 2008-05-06 John Eells &l

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-07 Thread Daniel McLaughlin
me Discussion List wrote on 05/06/2008 04:23:20 PM: > -- Information from the mail header > --- > Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > Poster: "Burrell, C. Todd (CDC/OCOO/ITSO) (CTR)" <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-06 Thread Rick Fochtman
--- I have an oldie but a goodie. One of our user areas sent us 9 3420 tapes today, and some of them appear to be 800 BPI. When I run tape map against the tape I get the data in the attachment. I am trying to read these files on a 3420 tape drive, and when I put the

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-06 Thread Tony Harminc
2008-05-06 John Eells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 3420-4, -6, and -8 could definitely be used for both 1600bpi and 6250bpi but > *not* for 800 bpi. I don't recall at this point whether the odd-numbered > models (-3, -5, -7) could read 800 bpi or were 1600 bpi only. If the latter, > I think y

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-06 Thread Scott Rowe
It sounds like you may have had DEN= coded in your JCL when you ran the tapemap, and that is why you got the "800 BPI" error message. Try running tapemap without DEN=, you should need to specify density for an input tape, in any case. If the tape drive was unable to read the tape, you wouldn'

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-06 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Burrell Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: 3420 old tapes --part-8eaESvSN5abbYQ7dIJvWcCFUpBaxuqMmA0CLvzTGoZnc3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>I don't recall at this point whether the odd-numbered models (-3, -5, -7) >could read 800 bpi or were 1600 bpi. only. The low end 3420 could definitely reads 800 BPI. I have never worked with anything less than a 3400-series tape drive and we had a lot of 800 tapes in the 1980's (customer excha

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-06 Thread John Eells
Pommier, Rex R. wrote: What model of 3420 drive do you have? I am pretty sure at least the later models (4, 6, and 8) could only read 1600 or 6250 bpi. http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/storage/storage_3420.html 3420-4, -6, and -8 could definitely be used for both 1600bpi and 6250b

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-06 Thread Howard Brazee
On 6 May 2008 13:08:45 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Linda Mooney) wrote: >We got rid of all of our 800 bpi tapes a long time ago- sometime around 1990 I >think, because the new version of MVS we were installing at the time no >longer supported 800 bpi. Since we had a major customer who required t

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-06 Thread Scott Ford
/OCOO/ITSO) (CTR) Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3420 old tapes I appreciate all of the replies. As I had figured, we're pretty much out of luck right now. We're going to try and figure out a way to get on a 3420 that can read 800 BPI, but we ma

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-06 Thread Burrell, C. Todd (CDC/OCOO/ITSO) (CTR)
nda Mooney Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3420 old tapes We got rid of all of our 800 bpi tapes a long time ago- sometime around 1990 I think, because the new version of MVS we were installing at the time no longer supported 800 bpi. Since we had a majo

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-06 Thread Linda Mooney
We got rid of all of our 800 bpi tapes a long time ago- sometime around 1990 I think, because the new version of MVS we were installing at the time no longer supported 800 bpi. Since we had a major customer who required that support, we built a front-end read the tapes create a disk file job o

Re: 3420 old tapes

2008-05-06 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Behalf Of Todd Burrell Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: 3420 old tapes Hello: I have an oldie but a goodie. One of our user areas sent us 9 3420 tapes today, and some of them appear to be 800 BPI. When I run tape map against the tape I get the data in the

3420 old tapes

2008-05-06 Thread Todd Burrell
Hello: I have an oldie but a goodie. One of our user areas sent us 9 3420 tapes today, and some of them appear to be 800 BPI. When I run tape map against the tape I get the data in the attachment. I am trying to read these files on a 3420 tape drive, and when I put the density (DEN=2) into m