Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-13 Thread Knutson, Sam
2012 2:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Acceptable paging Ron, At the moment I only have ESSs, but we are going to new storage soon. We expect everything to improve. Kees. "Ron Hawkins" wrote in message news:<00ad01cce88a$d99abf30$8cd03d90$@net>... > Kees, > > H

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-12 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Ron, At the moment I only have ESSs, but we are going to new storage soon. We expect everything to improve. Kees. "Ron Hawkins" wrote in message news:<00ad01cce88a$d99abf30$8cd03d90$@net>... > Kees, > > Have you thought of putting your page datasets into Permacache (EMC) or DCR > (HDS). > > T

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-10 Thread Ron Hawkins
Kees, Have you thought of putting your page datasets into Permacache (EMC) or DCR (HDS). This would give you true SSD performance right on the channel, which is better than the SAS HDD emulation variety. Ron > > Dead, until you stop the Execution Groups. For some reason this storage is > then

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-09 Thread Staller, Allan
ADDRESS SPACE! From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Acceptable paging In <1910aea19cd2554fb59403184ebe4381044b40a...@mmoexchmbs01.jhacorp.com&g

Acceptable paging

2012-02-09 Thread Kirk Talman
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Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-09 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
"Barbara Nitz" wrote in message news:<863014571846.wa.nitzibmgmx@bama.ua.edu>... > >Maybe you can explain what MQ and broker issues you have and why you > >think this is related to paging and/or the page configuration. > I agree with Kees. What exactly is your 'issue' with 'the broker'? (A

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Barbara Nitz
>Maybe you can explain what MQ and broker issues you have and why you >think this is related to paging and/or the page configuration. I agree with Kees. What exactly is your 'issue' with 'the broker'? (Assuming that MQS is just the innocent bystander here.) >I know the broker uses a lot of virtua

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Ed Finnell
I don't know why, but anyhow back in MVS internals. There's the PART, the SART and the Frame Allocation Resource Table. What no FART? Not PC! Sorry... In a message dated 2/8/2012 8:44:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net writes: No. An unreferenced page does not con

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <1910aea19cd2554fb59403184ebe4381044b40a...@mmoexchmbs01.jhacorp.com>, on 02/08/2012 at 04:49 PM, Hal Merritt said: >A demand page in event can cause a full stop in the requesting >address space Address space or only task? >A page always consumes a slot, No. An unreferenced page does not

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Hal Merritt
and workload demand, but there isn't much room to grow. In my mind, 'acceptable paging' is when service levels are being met. Usually that means that there is little or no time spent waiting on demand paging operations. Unacceptable paging is when service levels are not bei

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <239ab4569639f44abf2edc7f90f528b1f2b...@ncwwditmxmbx34.ad.ncmail>, on 02/08/2012 at 02:01 PM, "Lopez, Sharon" said: >Can someone please help me determine what the 'acceptable paging' >should be on a system? There is no one size fits all. >We are having

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Staller, Allan
an someone please help me determine what the 'acceptable paging should be on a system?" is "it depends". BTW, there are possibly other reasons for poor MQ and WAS performance unrelated to paging. HTH, -- For IBM

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
nd none of us left understand how this is supposed to work. Thanks. > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:11 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Sub

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
how this is supposed to work. Thanks. > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:11 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Acceptable paging >

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:01:48 +, Lopez, Sharon wrote: >Can someone please help me determine what the 'acceptable paging' should be on >a system? We are having issues with MQ and broker. Thanks. > Any amount that still keeps your end user response time and job turnaround

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Lopez, Sharon
Subject: Re: Acceptable paging > > Can someone please help me determine what the 'acceptable paging' should be on a > system? We are having issues with MQ and broker. Thanks. > Could you describe your environment a little? CPU(s) (z10, z9 , etc) Amount of dasd space allo

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Lizette Koehler
> > Can someone please help me determine what the 'acceptable paging' should be on a > system? We are having issues with MQ and broker. Thanks. > Could you describe your environment a little? CPU(s) (z10, z9 , etc) Amount of dasd space allocated to Page Datasets? N

Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Lopez, Sharon
Can someone please help me determine what the 'acceptable paging' should be on a system? We are having issues with MQ and broker. Thanks. Sharon Lopez z/OS Systems Programmer State of North Carolina Office of Information Technology Services 919-754-6432 (Work) 919-398-8638 (Cell)