Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
Reminds me of the old diagnostic technique:
1. Clean all of the contacts/.
2. Test the link.
3. Tell the customer that you couldn't find a problem so it must be on his end.
Thanks, now I'm not feeling alone... hehehe...
Or like this one (software based, not
: Halon dumps and POK Resets
In 7282054772622349.wa.steve.doverccbcc@bama.ua.edu, on
03/26/2012
at 08:19 AM, Steve Dover steve.do...@ccbcc.com said:
ATT said everything was great on the line,
Reminds me of the old diagnostic technique:
1. Clean all of the contacts/.
2. Test
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:17:21 -0500, McKown, John wrote:
Every time it rained, they'd be down. Rain would stop and dry out, they'd come
back up. Telephone company said I was lying.
Sounds like my ADSL link - and man, have we had some rain in the last year or
two ...
Shane ...
(Seymour J.)
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In 7282054772622349.wa.steve.doverccbcc@bama.ua.edu, on
03/26/2012
at 08:19 AM, Steve Dover steve.do...@ccbcc.com said:
ATT said everything was great
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote:
On 23 March 2012 11:53, Sevetson, Phil psevet...@fisa.nyc.gov wrote:
How many people here have been to one of her lectures? Where she used
to hold up 11-inch bits of wire, explaining that This is a nanosecond and
I like zMan's idea for a two-sided--nanosecond and millimeter--ruler;
his notion that the availability of the second, millimeter side would
make justifying its cost easy is a really inspired piece of nonsense.
I wish I'd thought of it.
John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:06:30 -0500, John Gilmore wrote:
I like zMan's idea for a two-sided--nanosecond and millimeter--ruler;
his notion that the availability of the second, millimeter side would
make justifying its cost easy is a really inspired piece of nonsense.
I wish I'd thought of it.
Scott Ford wrote:
Had a Hasp RJE like that John, everytime it rained there were strange
creatures on the phone lines...of course the standard phone company reply was
classic, no problems here and the problems always disappeared.
I'm certainly no apologist for Big Phone, but have to relate a
They have the 12 inch ruler with mm on the other side, flip side sould
be scaled with nano seconds speed of light, and speed of sound
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_sound is 340 m/s so .34m oer
340mm is 0.001 Mach-second (13.38 inches)
But speed of sound depends on medium. And second
I saw her once in the mid-70s at an ACM meeting in Bloomington, Illinois.
I recall a story she told about her first assignment at the Pentagon. She had
an office and an assistant. But no furniture in the office and no budget. That
did not stop her. Fortunately, her assistant was a good
Ed, We had one of those also. Insurance agent office in downtown Manhattan.
On site AS400 to manage business. Response time fluctuations at this site were
off the scale. ATT said everything was great on the line, one of the best
drops in our network. 6 of us were working with the agents in
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Jeff Holst jeff.ho...@fiserv.com wrote:
deleted
When she eventually reached flag rank, she selected the Jolly Roger as her
personal flag.
Jeff Holst
Kind of like the crew of the diesel sub U.S.S. Stingray?
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3566640640/tt0116130
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In 7282054772622349.wa.steve.doverccbcc@bama.ua.edu, on
03/26/2012
at 08:19 AM, Steve Dover steve.do...@ccbcc.com said:
ATT said everything was great on the line,
Reminds me of the old diagnostic technique:
1. Clean all of the contacts/.
2. Test the link.
3. Tell the customer that
On 23 March 2012 11:53, Sevetson, Phil psevet...@fisa.nyc.gov wrote:
How many people here have been to one of her lectures? Where she used to
hold up 11-inch bits of wire, explaining that This is a nanosecond and
sometimes carried around a coil of wire that was a light-microsecond long?
I
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On 23 March 2012 11:53, Sevetson, Phil psevet...@fisa.nyc.gov wrote:
How many people here have been to one of her lectures? Where she
My memories of Grace Hopper go back a bit farther than what is generally
being discussed.
As my father was an engineer with IBM back in the 50's I have some
recollections of a young
Grace Hopper being around the house quite often. I do recall her and my
father and a few other
colleagues having
fun: Halon dumps
and POK Resets)
My memories of Grace Hopper go back a bit farther than what is generally
being discussed.
As my father was an engineer with IBM back in the 50's I have some
recollections of a young
Grace Hopper being around the house quite often. I do recall her and my
father
In 4AB855B58BD547BDA6044951C9707F49@ericnbPC, on 03/24/2012
at 07:50 AM, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com said:
With all the stories people are telling about Halon being dumped
when it shouldn't be, I haven't heard any stories where the halon
dumping actually saved the datacenter.
If
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into a former neighbor of hers who remembered her fondly.
Linda
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Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 8:53:33 AM
Subject: Grace Hopper Stories!! (was RE: Pre-Friday fun: Halon dumps and POK
Resets)
How many
Mid 1980's. We had added on to the raised floor. Halon vendor had finished
adding the new room into the system and turned over to the building engineers.
They had disabled the Halon system because the telco vendor was installing
another phone rack. I came on shift early to give a troop of
O.K., Halon story - only time I've been in a live event.
Flew interstate to do a system build as a relatively new sysprog. That meant
sitting at the console - probably a 145.
So this guy I didn't know walks in puffing on the fattest cigar you've ever
seen. Probably done for effect - and it
Your question brings back fond memories. I once was president of the Tampa Bay
Florida Chapter of Association of Computing Machinery and my wife Charlotte and
I picked up Grace Hopper at the Tampa airport and brought her to the dinner
meeting to speak. She did talk about the nano-second wire
With all the stories people are telling about Halon being dumped when it
shouldn't be, I haven't heard any stories where the halon dumping actually
saved the datacenter. (Well, maybe there have been but I forgot). It
almost seems that the cost of the halon system and the gas to fill them with
On 03/23/2012 04:47 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In
cafo-8tqy1ea0pispweiwomxpnajxzs2+rvadkzbd-2kva8q...@mail.gmail.com,
on 03/22/2012
at 01:33 PM, zManzedgarhoo...@gmail.com said:
Who else has stories to share?
EDS, at a government facility. Halon dumps, everybody ordered out.
At University of Waterloo, we had a direct feed to Waterloo North Hydro. Since
power lines are generally underground in Ontario, power is pretty stable in
general; having a direct feed meant we never had to worry about it (well, there
was allegedly a motor-generator in a sub-basement, but
My favs were the interactions with other luminaries such as Turing and Adm
Chester Nimitz. Sometime in the late seventies she got a burr in her saddle
about 'it wasn't true until IBM invented it' and could site verse and
title of who and when it had been done before.
In a message dated
Insurance data center in NC, first failure when main underground power feed
(single feed) burned in two. Big portable Cat generator outside the building
for 3 weeks while local power company replaced. So local power company was
paid to bring alternate feed in from the other direction. Bush
LOVED to eat hair and scarves.
Lloyd
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All,
Someone told while working in Europe they worked not far from a big
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 07:12:15 -0500, Steve Dover wrote:
Then they closed the data center and made it a call center. Best prepared
call center I have ever seen.
Sick - seriously sick . ;-)
You never get what you need until you don't need it any more.
Reminds me of a telecom exchange
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 05:22:53 -0700, Lloyd Fuller wrote:
For awhile, every morning we would get a system crash: a
hardware crash, the CPU just died.
We had a system where intermittently the overnight batch update would die -
after several hours. Non-restartable - we're talking old-school here;
Subject: Re: Pre-Friday fun: Halon dumps and POK Resets
Insurance data center in NC, first failure when main underground power feed
(single feed) burned in two. Big portable Cat generator outside the building
for 3 weeks while local power company replaced. So local power company was
paid
of zMan
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Sent: 22 March 2012 17:33
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So over the years I've heard a few good stories about accidental (or
deliberate) Halon dumps and BRS pressings. Like operators playing Frisbee
in the machine room
Isn't that potato crips?
Richard and Vickie Pinion
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:24:18 +
Snack food manufacturer in UK
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Date:
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Subject:
Re: Pre-Friday fun: Halon dumps and POK Resets
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Isn't that potato crips?
Richard and Vickie Pinion
--- john.comp...@teamwpc.co.uk
I've never been near an actual Halon dump, but I do remember those
computer shows in the 1970s, with vendors showing off their various
infrastructure, tape racks, document storage, even an outfit with a
mockup of a 360/30 used for operator training.
The Halon people always had a demo - a clear
List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of
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Grace Hopper used to tell about the destroyer that lit up the Naval Yard
outside of D.C. and crashed the data center
All:
* It is possible to disconnect the vacuum duct to a 3420 tape drive.
* It is also possible to connect a condom on the supply-side duct.
* It is also possible to press LOAD.
* It is also possible to put the Lead Operator on the floor
convulsed in laughter.
--
Robert W.
At State Farm in 1973, a new bank of tape drives were installed in late
May, and they ran fine until Jun 15, when we began to see very strange
tape ABENDS (starting with Fnnx as I recall), perhaps a dozen each day,
that would then not occur until the next evening. After 10 days and
much research
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All:
* It is possible to disconnect the vacuum duct to a 3420 tape drive.
* It is also possible to connect a condom on the supply-side duct
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Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:54 AM
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How many people here have been to one
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At State Farm in 1973, a new bank of tape drives were installed in late
May, and they ran fine until Jun 15, when we
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At State Farm in 1973, a new bank of tape drives were installed in late
May
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I know of a data center had their 3330s, old guys way back, in a basement of a
area here in NJ that is on a floor plan,,guess what happened ...flooded out
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All:
* It is possible to disconnect the vacuum duct to a 3420 tape drive.
* It is also possible to connect a condom on the supply-side duct.
* It is also possible to press LOAD.
* It is also possible to put the Lead Operator on the floor
convulsed
Just one of many, but perhaps the most notorious. Sometimes referred to as
squirrel day
http://groups.google.com/group/bit.listserv.ibm-main/browse_thread/thread/c80fc3d2f0553619/ad16137bea415e81?lnk=gstq=squirrel#ad16137bea415e81
This one caused the power company to realize there was only one
For the real dunces(at the Pentagon) she had a 1100 millisecond hose-come
dragging it out to begin the lecture.
In a message dated 3/23/2012 10:54:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
psevet...@fisa.nyc.gov writes:
that was a light-microsecond long?
Well they knew, but it's a large campus. There are feeds from several
directions. The problem is finding money for dual feed transformers in a state
on continual proration.
In a message dated 3/23/2012 1:34:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
mathwst...@bellsouth.net writes:
realize there was
Of
Ed Finnell
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 4:25 PM
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For the real dunces(at the Pentagon) she had a 1100 millisecond hose-come
dragging it out to begin the lecture.
In a message
In
cafo-8tqy1ea0pispweiwomxpnajxzs2+rvadkzbd-2kva8q...@mail.gmail.com,
on 03/22/2012
at 01:33 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com said:
Who else has stories to share?
EDS, at a government facility. Halon dumps, everybody ordered out. One
operator decides to be a hero and to shut down the
Yes, my glasses were still fogged up from the ultrasound
In a message dated 3/23/2012 4:10:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
psevet...@fisa.nyc.gov writes:
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This is not HALON related but it is along similar lines of others on
here.
We had a T1 that worked perfectly ATT (in the 1980's) said it was
to spec and almost zero errors.
One of my many part time responsibilities was for maintaining the
3725 software. Every so often the T1 (it was
So over the years I've heard a few good stories about accidental (or
deliberate) Halon dumps and BRS pressings. Like operators playing Frisbee
in the machine room and discovering that the Halon button really, really
needs a cover on it...
Who else has stories to share?
--
zMan -- I've got a
zMan wrote:
So over the years I've heard a few good stories about accidental (or
deliberate) Halon dumps and BRS pressings. Like operators playing Frisbee
in the machine room and discovering that the Halon button really, really
needs a cover on it...
Who else has stories to share?
A retired
] On Behalf Of zMan
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:33 PM
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So over the years I've heard a few good stories about accidental (or
deliberate) Halon dumps and BRS pressings. Like operators
playing Frisbee
in the machine
Before I joined IBM I worked for a mid sized company near Atlanta.
We had our electrical company install a UPS. They got everything
installed and decided, mid day on a working day, to test the system.
The hit the button and the ENTIRE building went dark.
Oops.
Ken Hume
IBM PD Tools Client
fun: Halon dumps and POK Resets
Before I joined IBM I worked for a mid sized company near Atlanta.
We had our electrical company install a UPS. They got everything
installed and decided, mid day on a working day, to test the system.
The hit the button and the ENTIRE building went dark
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Ah, yes. I remember a similar story now. I don't know if it is true or
not. Building had emergency electric generators, diesel
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So over the years I've heard a few good stories about accidental (or
deliberate) Halon dumps and BRS pressings. Like operators playing Frisbee
in the machine
Who else has stories to share?
Not my personal story but...
Customer designs a new datacenter, moves in, has an issue where a guy in a
backhoe clips the incoming power source. Customer is patting themselves on the
back for the wisdom of having two separate power lines, one on each side of the
maryanne4...@gmail.com (Mary Anne Matyaz) writes:
Customer designs a new datacenter, moves in, has an issue where a guy
in a backhoe clips the incoming power source. Customer is patting
themselves on the back for the wisdom of having two separate power
lines, one on each side of the building.
John Deere's data center in the 70's had two
independent power supply companies, but with
Midwest lightning strikes still had several
to many outages each year.
Data Center Manager could NOT get approval for
a diesel power backup UPS because:
The only backup system that was large enough for
I worked for a major ny pharm company, one day an electrician dropped a wrench
into the air handlers on the roof while working creating a major DR panic..
I have been involved in one disaster in Indy in operations, when an entire city
block was a blaze..we were 10 stories up and the windows
I worked for a financial institution that had multiple power grid
feeds coming into a set of transformers located in the same room with
an earth quake switch. Add workers using jack hammers ... viola dark
building. Earth quakes and jack hammers are remarkably similar.
Rob Schramm
On Thu, Mar
Also was working in Europe, Switzerland during the first gulf war..for a large
American company..
Came through the mantrap...day after the bombing campaign started..saw a dude
with an ear jack and a huge bulge under his jacket, he was packing a Uzi .
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Rob,
That's funny
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On Mar 22, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Rob Schramm rob.schr...@gmail.com wrote:
I worked for a financial institution that had multiple power grid
feeds coming into a set of transformers located in the same
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Hydrotesting is cheap
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All,
Someone told while working in Europe they worked not far from a big radar
station..
Every time the disc made a sweep they crashed on the mainframe, anyone heard
that before ?
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On Mar 22, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Ed
Grace Hopper used to tell about the destroyer that lit up the Naval Yard
outside of D.C. and crashed the data center. Personally, my fav was the Ops
manager that upgraded the walkie-talkies for tech support from 1 watt to 3
watts(I think)-anyway if they were within 25' of a Memorex
Of Scott Ford
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All,
Someone told while working in Europe they worked not far from
a big radar station..
Every time the disc made a sweep they crashed on the
mainframe
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So over the years I've heard
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All,
Someone told while working in Europe they worked not far from a big
fun: Halon dumps and POK Resets
So over the years I've heard a few good stories about accidental (or
deliberate) Halon dumps and BRS pressings. Like operators playing Frisbee in
the machine room and discovering that the Halon button really, really needs a
cover on it...
Who else has stories
I was told that at the old DEC plant in Maynard, they got a lot of HDA
crashes about the same time of day. They finally figured out that a
delivery was made at that time every day, and the truck would back up to
the loading dock and bump it. The old wooden building would shiver, and the
HDAs would
Ghosts?:
In the mid-1980s (about 1 block from the Empire State Building), our hard-wired
3270s would suddenly start typing away, no one on the keyboard. Special
shielding had to be added. (It usually worked.)
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So over the years I've heard
On 2012-03-22 10:33, zMan wrote:
Who else has stories to share?
Not business production critical, but...back at the community college where I was a student and eventually worked as lab manager, we had a few EPO buttons scattered around the public terminal room. One of these was next to a
(back in the 70's) had a union operator shop.
The company wanted to put HALON into the DC and the union went on
strike.
If I remember correctly both sides backed down.
Ed
On Mar 22, 2012, at 12:33 PM, zMan wrote:
So over the years I've heard a few good stories about accidental (or
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