In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 02/09/2006
at 04:34 PM, Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>If an alternative ISPF interface has been there for decades and
>people aren't using it,
That might be true where they make a conscious decision to not use it.
But what about the many cases where users sim
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From: "James Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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As systems programmers we then complain about new functions not being
exploited -
ay, February 09, 2006 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: HP annual report
I didn't know you can do compare in edit. I just went into edit and
typed in compare, and it came up with a tutorial. I'll have to read
it. And I always thought I kept up with ISPF. I guess that's why I
keep fol
From: Desi de la Garza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
F1 HELP KEY works fine here.
I'm glad to hear it. It gives me hope that all the time and effort I spend
creating tutorials, help messages, keyshelp, field-level help (etc), isn't
completely wasted. Sigh; if only there were more people like you. :-)
I didn't know you can do compare in edit. I just went into edit and
typed in compare, and it came up with a tutorial. I'll have to read
it. And I always thought I kept up with ISPF. I guess that's why I
keep following this list - sometimes I learn something!
Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Progr
F1 HELP KEY works fine here.
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>From: Tom Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>My e
From: Tom Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
My experience is 60-85% of the software audience just doesn't read. They
expect others to explain the material to them.
Tom,
My experience is similar to yours. If something is put directly in front of
someone (e.g. in the form of a message or pop-up windo
In an earlier email, Dave Salt said:
1) If something is put in front of someone (even if it's as small as a new
option on a menu), people will eventually discover it. If it's buried in
tutorials and/or user manuals, few people will ever discover it.
Steve Comstock replied:
This only works if
Dave,
Unless the vendors produce podcasts they will miss a growing percentage of
their audience.
My experience is 60-85% of the software audience just doesn't read. They
expect others to explain the material to them.
On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:36:40 +, Dave Salt wrote:
>I think the responsibi
From: James Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
As systems programmers we then complain about new functions not being
exploited - surely we have a responsibility to at least 'point people' in
the right direction.
James,
I think the responsibility for informing people of new software
functionality should
Dave Salt wrote:
From: "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
My experience has been that the users don't learn the alternative
interfaces that are there, even when they have been available for
decades.
I agree with you to a certain extent. Many people move blindly from one
release of
ent: 09 February 2006 09:37
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Subject: Re: HP annual report
>
Having said all that, there ARE ways to overcome both problems. For example,
an alternative to the regular ISPF interface was installed at a certain
company. There were no announcements and no education whatso
Ted MacNEIL wrote:
IBM is pushing 2 releases out every year
Not since 1.4 came out.
IE: it's been three years since IBM went to one release a year.
Not exactly.
...
z/OS 1.3
6 months
z/OS 1.4
18 months
z/OS 1.5
6 months
z/OS 1.6
12 months
z/OS 1.7
(FUTURE)
12 months
z/OS next release.
>IBM is pushing 2 releases out every year
Not since 1.4 came out.
IE: it's been three years since IBM went to one release a year.
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-teD
I’m an enthusiastic proselytiser of the universal panacea I believe in!
--
For IBM-MAIN s
On Feb 8, 2006, at 7:36 PM, Dave Salt wrote:
From: "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
My experience has been that the users don't learn the alternative
interfaces that are there, even when they have been available for
decades.
I agree with you to a certain extent. Many people move
From: "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
My experience has been that the users don't learn the alternative
interfaces that are there, even when they have been available for
decades.
I agree with you to a certain extent. Many people move blindly from one
release of an operating syste
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 02/07/2006
at 08:28 PM, Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>In my opinion, people will NEVER get excited about using mainframes
>as long as they have no option but to work with the default
>interface.
My experience has been that the users don't learn the alternativ
Tom Schmidt wrote:
[snip]
Timothy F. Sipples
Consulting Enterprise Software Architect, z9/zSeries
IBM Japan, Ltd.
(IBM Japan??? You'll be one of the tallest guys on any street corner
there.)
How do you know he's not short anyway?
-Steve Comstock
--
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:58:50 -0700, Timothy Sipples wrote:
...
>There have also been rumblings of 3270 user interface discontinuance for
>certain subsystems (or parts of subsystems). CICS V3R2 is one example
>where you'll start to see that happen.
I certainly hope, even pray, that CICS' user interf
>In my opinion, people will NEVER get excited about using mainframes as
long
>as they have no option but to work with the default interface.
I agree with that. Here's what's happening.
There's some interesting work afoot on the "new face of the mainframe,"
and I know many people have heard abo
rom: "Dave Salt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I'll be the first to admit I have a biased point of view, as I make a
living developing an alternative interface. The reason I starte
From: Steve Comstock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Until the up and coming folks get excited about what
mainframes can do and the advantages they offer (and
this has to include cost effectiveness), the trend in
the number of companies using IBM mainframes can only
be downward.
In my opinion, people will N
From: Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>I agree; HP is a fine company. That's why I invest in their stock and why I
>just received their annual report. Millions of other investors saw it as
>well, and like me they also read the unchallenged statement from the CEO
>regarding the declining use of th
From: Timothy Sipples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Continued movement"? Didn't IBM just announce its best mainframe revenue
quarter since 1998 (the year of great Y2K preparation)? (Mainframes cost
less than they did in 1998, by the way.) When is this movement going to
start?
Years ago it was commonly pe
In a message dated 2/6/2006 9:59:28 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"The best way to steer a company toward growth is to look out four or five
years at the big market trends evolving, and then work backward to identify
opportunities... There will be continued movem
Timothy Sipples wrote:
[snip]
Darn that pesky IBM, investing billions year after year to
deliver the industry's premier business servers year after year. Haven't
they heard that what customers really want are systems that require little
or no R&D expense?
And yet I still find prospect afte
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> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Dave Salt
>
> > > Rare Mainframe programmer in near mint condition!!!
> > > A rare find in the IT world!
>
> He may as well try for the big bucks while he can, as it
> looks like he won't be needed soon. The CEO and
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Paul Gillis
Sent: 07 February 2006 11:11
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Timothy Sipples wrote:
> I'd also be interested to know why HP recently *entered* the mainframe
> outs
Timothy Sipples wrote:
I'd also be interested to know why HP recently *entered* the mainframe
outsourcing business. My best guess is that HP identified an opportunity.
Better not tell the CEO. :-)
They've been at it here in Oz for a while, not many clients though.
Paul Gillis
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>He may as well try for the big bucks while he can, as it looks like he
won't
>be needed soon. The CEO and President of Hewlett-Packard made the
following
>comment in the opening statement of this years annual report:
>"The best way to steer a company toward growth is to look out four or
five
> Rare Mainframe programmer in near mint condition!!!
> A rare find in the IT world!
He may as well try for the big bucks while he can, as it looks like he won't
be needed soon. The CEO and President of Hewlett-Packard made the following
comment in the opening statement of this years annual re
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