How to quickly shut down system

2005-12-06 Thread R.S.
Let's assume the following scenario: "Disastrous" power outage occured, no alternate power source is available, only UPS battery. Time for battery discharge is approx. 20-30 minutes. DASD is mirrored to remote site, system z/OS, DB2, CICS. The goal is to keep *remote* copy as consistent as pos

Re: How to quickly shut down system

2005-12-06 Thread Skip Robinson
I think the most important action--but not necessarily the first--is V XCF OFF. That should stop ongoing I/O in as synchronized a manner as possible across all applications. $PJES2 will most certainly never complete, but it will prevent any new tasks from starting. I would NOT do a TERM because yo

Re: How to quickly shut down system

2005-12-06 Thread Tom Brannon
What effect would a "Quiesce" have? This is a clean, safe way to end all I/O but what incomplete transactions will be lost? Tom On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 08:13 -0800, Skip Robinson wrote: > I think the most important action--but not necessarily the first--is V XCF > OFF. That should stop ongoing I/O

Re: How to quickly shut down system

2005-12-06 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KRDO 4)
>$PJES2 will most certainly never complete, but it will prevent any new >tasks from starting. I would NOT do a TERM because you lose all control >at that point. >From experience on education systems I'd say the $PJES2 isn't even necessary. I've always seen JES2 stopping after the V XCF OFF befo

Re: How to quickly shut down system

2005-12-06 Thread Barbara Nitz
If you only have about 20 minutes of batteries left, do as orderly a shutdown as possible. (Even our heavily loaded production system doesn't take 20 minutes to come down.) As pointed out before, get the major players down (IMS, DB2, CICS) - those that have business critical transactions that may

Re: How to quickly shut down system

2005-12-07 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KRDO 4)
>>From experience on education systems I'd say the $PJES2 isn't even >>necessary. >I would not subscribe to that. $PJES2 should always be done. If JES2 comes >down is another matter. I agree, doing the $PJES2 will not hurt. >>This makes me belive JES2 is one of the (few?) products that listens

Re: How to quickly shut down system

2005-12-07 Thread TISLER Zaromil
<-- snip --> Let's assume the following scenario: "Disastrous" power outage occured, no alternate power source is available, only UPS battery. Time for battery discharge is approx. 20-30 minutes. <-- snip --> Why do you believe you have 20-30 minutes to do something? I would loo

Re: How to quickly shut down system

2005-12-07 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 12/7/2005 9:41:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why do you believe you have 20-30 minutes to do something? I would look how long can the weakest component stay available: switch or any other interface on the path to devices and then to the mirror d

Re: How to quickly shut down system

2005-12-07 Thread Skip Robinson
The reason I would do a $PJES2 is to prevent new work from starting. If you know that the end of the world is imminent, the less still running the better. Otherwise you could have all manner of tasks kicking off at a really unfortunate time. Maybe a simple $P would be even better just to turn off t

Re: How to quickly shut down system

2005-12-07 Thread R.S.
TISLER Zaromil wrote: <-- snip --> Let's assume the following scenario: "Disastrous" power outage occured, no alternate power source is available, only UPS battery. Time for battery discharge is approx. 20-30 minutes. <-- snip --> Why do you believe you have 20-30 minutes to

Re: How to quickly shut down system

2005-12-07 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
: How to quickly shut down system TISLER Zaromil wrote: > <-- snip --> > Let's assume the following scenario: > "Disastrous" power outage occured, no alternate power source is > available, only UPS battery. Time for battery discharge is approx.

Re: How to quickly shut down system

2005-12-07 Thread R.S.
Pommier, Rex R. wrote: To throw my $.02 in, do you have any non-critical equipment on the UPS that could be powered down ahead of time (non-essential tape, printers, etc) that could possibly extend the UPS uptime duration? I have lived thru this scenario - lost street power and no generator. W

Re: How to quickly shut down system

2005-12-07 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 20:54 +0100, R.S. wrote: > > Back to the question, what about DB2, which I'm most worried ? > I'd like to "quiesce" all the system activity as much as possible, just > to avoid long time for get the DR system ready. I don't want to spent > hours to backout uncommited trans

Re: How to quickly shut down system

2005-12-07 Thread Lock Lyon
R.S., For *SIMPLE* solution that is also *clean* I recommend issuing -STOP DB2 MODE(FORCE) command for each DB2 subsystem. (Command syntax changes based on if you are data sharing or not.) For tasks not currently in DB2 it will post an exit; for tasks in DB2 it will stop during next suspend or

Re: How to quickly shut down system

2005-12-07 Thread Hal Merritt
The more I think about this, the more I think less is better. Given the amount of time to fully understand the situation, find the procedure (which has never been tested), get a management buy in to pull the trigger, thoughtfully issue the correct commands in the correct sequence (watching for an

Re: How to quickly shut down system

2005-12-08 Thread R.S.
Hal Merritt wrote: The more I think about this, the more I think less is better. Given the amount of time to fully understand the situation, find the procedure (which has never been tested), get a management buy in to pull the trigger, thoughtfully issue the correct commands in the correct seq

Re: How to quickly shut down system

2005-12-08 Thread Hal Merritt
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How to quickly shut down system ...snip That's why the procedure have to be *SIMPLE*. No checking, no decision, no analysis. However I'm still not sure, what's better - do something like STOP DB2,MODE(FORCE) or do nothing. -- Radoslaw Skorup

Re: How to quickly shut down system

2005-12-08 Thread ibm-main
From: "Hal Merritt" > I was once advised to cancel the IRLM address space. DB2 tends to > abruptly drop in its tracks, but knows what to do to get back going > again. Never had it fail. Doesn't win popularity points with the DBAs though. Likewise, we have our CICS regions in STCJOBS; C CICS* work

Re: How to quickly shut down system

2005-12-09 Thread Isaac Yassin
A.EDU Subject: Re: How to quickly shut down system I was once advised to cancel the IRLM address space. DB2 tends to abruptly drop in its tracks, but knows what to do to get back going again. Hal -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Beha