I agree with Jantje. We've found the ISV support at Dallas to be
exceptionally good. They provide first-rate support at an incredible value.
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On 1 Mar 2010 17:23:07 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
I guess I should note that I am speaking only as an application developer. So
I come at it from a different perspective than most of those on this list.
But a few things I miss from VSE:
- Superior JCL symbolics.
- System level
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:53:18 -0500, Farley, Peter x23353
peter.far...@broadridge.com wrote:
So far they've nearly managed to abandon the small ISV (Dallas support
is a sore subject among many small ISV's), the entire academic community
I have to disagree about the Dallas support. I just send
, 2010 2:52:46 AM
Subject: Re: Item on TPF
--SNIP---
In my opinion only. I could list probably 20 things I miss from VSE. But I
don't want to bore everyone.
The main reason we are converting, as far as I can tell, is that z/OS is
just better supported
On 1 March 2010 20:21, Frank Swarbrick frank.swarbr...@efirstbank.com wrote:
But a few things I miss from VSE:
[...]
- Return code checking that actually makes sense (can anyone give a good
reason for how COND works?).
A reason - no. How it works is not obvious, but not hard either. If
From: Frank Swarbrick frank.swarbr...@efirstbank.com
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Subject: Re: Item on TPF
I guess I should note that I am speaking only as an application developer. So
I come at it from a different perspective
On 2/27/2010 at 8:13 AM, in message
listserv%201002270913195378.0...@bama.ua.edu, Eric Bielefeld
eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com wrote:
I'm curious. How much more does z/OS cost than z/VSE? An
approximate percentage is good enough.
I have no idea. I'm just an apps guy.
What are your reasons for
From: Frank Swarbrick frank.swarbr...@efirstbank.com
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Subject: Re: Item on TPF
--SNIP---
In my opinion only. I could list probably 20 things I miss from VSE
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IBM was about to sunset VSE a few years ago until it found out that in
mainland China, VSE was the operating
I'm curious. How much more does z/OS cost than z/VSE? An
approximate percentage is good enough.
What are your reasons for converting? It sounds like from the way you
worded your comment below that z/VSE doesn't have some restrictions
that z/OS does, although I may have misread your
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:58:32 -0500, George Henke wrote:
IBM was about to sunset VSE a few years ago until it found out that in
mainland China, VSE was the operating system of choice.
...
Unfortunately, it has always lacked at least one major control block, the
DEB and so tech support has always
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well.
charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) writes:
It also might be mentioned that there was an incentive to develop a
quick-and-dirty DOS/360 that came from the shortage
: Saturday, February 27, 2010 8:07 AM
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On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:58:32 -0500, George Henke wrote:
IBM was about to sunset VSE a few years ago until it found out that in
mainland China, VSE was the operating system of choice.
...
Unfortunately, it has always
If George is referring to VSAM Managed SAM, then yes it has been
mitigated. It does provide some of the disk space management features
of z/OS and third party software to the base operating system
On 02/27/2010 10:06 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:58:32 -0500, George Henke
I can see free space on a VSE volume with Ditto and native VSE tools.
Been like that for as long as I remember.
On 02/27/2010 10:56 AM, Charles Mills wrote:
VSE does not support the Format-? (3? 5?) VTOC record that inventories free
space. Traditional DASD space management in VSE involves a
Almost, but no cigar.
'ABSTRK' is correct; it stands for space allocation using absolute [hardware]
tracks [track numbers]. It is of course radically device-dependent; I have
used it, but not in OS/PCP and its successors for, probably, 40 years.
It continued to be well known by name
My guess is that it is computed at the time by Ditto.
Charles
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I can see free space
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I can see free space on a VSE volume with Ditto and native VSE tools.
Been like that for as long as I remember
I've never seen it referred to as ABSTRK, but I'm not a
DOS guy. Who knows what they call it?
I've only ever seen it as ABSTR, just like the JCL operand.
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:20:09 +
From: john_w_gilm...@msn.com
Subject: Re: item on TPF, ABSTRK
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
On 26 Feb 2010 17:59:33 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
IBM was about to sunset VSE a few years ago until it found out that in
mainland China, VSE was the operating system of choice.
Given their population, I don't think it will be disappearing anytime soon.
And to think it all was
Lucky fella - I guess that means John hasn't had any (usually junior) sysprogs
that deleted
catalogs or page datasets or TMC or whatever from a live system.
Pays to put things like that back in the same spot - quickly. ABSTR is the
answer.
Shane ...
On Sun, Feb 28th, 2010 at 4:20 AM, john
From: Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org
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VSE does not support the Format-? (3? 5?) VTOC record that inventories free
space. Traditional DASD space management in VSE involves
-SNIP-
There also was the little detail that DOS360 could run on 16K and 32K
machines while OS360 required a minimum of 64K (and I THINK that was
with PCP). Both have evolved since then but I wouldn't be
From: Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com
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Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 9:13:19 AM
Subject: Re: Item on TPF
I'm curious. How much more does z/OS cost than z/VSE? An
approximate percentage is good enough.
What are your reasons
From: Frank Swarbrick frank.swarbr...@efirstbank.com
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 5:20:56 PM
Subject: Re: Item on TPF
When you refer to z/dos, do you mean z/VSE?
We are migrating this year from z/VSE to z/OS.
I never thought VSE
Haven't seen the article yet - but I did want to dispel at least my
own confusion. TPF is not DOS (or VSE)... TPF continues with a strong
following today as z/TPF. VSE continues as z/VSE.
Are we talking about z/VSE or z/TPF?
ACtually the article talk about
In b53f38421002261758u28245cc0ua7cc259894f71...@mail.gmail.com, on
02/26/2010
at 08:58 PM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com said:
Unfortunately, it has always lacked at least one major control block, the
DEB and so tech support has always been shackled with the burden of
manually keeping track
In b05jo5tom77v6mm3f3vge70pc76ssc9...@4ax.com, on 02/27/2010
at 05:55 PM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca said:
There also was the little detail that DOS360 could run on 16K and 32K
machines while OS360 required a minimum of 64K (and I THINK that was with
PCP).
The design point of
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Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 1:07 AM
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Snipped
What else is interesting and quite comical (at least to me) is an
article
about
I still amazed that dos has continued to hang on to this day
15-20 years ago there were over 35,000 VSE licenses. That's a large business
segment to kill off. That's a lot of hardware sales to abandon.
Bob Shannon
Rocket Software
Ed Gould wrote:
In the most recent issue (arrived in todays mail) of Z Journal there is a
decent article on TPF.
I just looked and its not posted online yet at mainframezone.com .
What else is interesting and quite comical (at least to me) is an article about
issues with z/dos (or whatever
Wow, you AND a junior sysprog? I wish I could get some help - this isn't that
small a shop ;-)
Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com 2/26/2010 8:53 AM
Ed,
It's called z/VSE today, and I imagine the benefits of running it are
the same as they were when I ran a shop that used VM and
When you refer to z/dos, do you mean z/VSE?
We are migrating this year from z/VSE to z/OS.
I never thought VSE was that great until this project. z/OS has a lot of good
stuff, but it also has a lot of annoying limitations (odd restrictions).
--
Frank Swarbrick
Applications Architect -
IBM was about to sunset VSE a few years ago until it found out that in
mainland China, VSE was the operating system of choice.
Given their population, I don't think it will be disappearing anytime soon.
And to think it all was just a mistake from the beginning.
Back in the days when 3rd
In the most recent issue (arrived in todays mail) of Z Journal there is a
decent article on TPF.
I just looked and its not posted online yet at mainframezone.com .
What else is interesting and quite comical (at least to me) is an article about
issues with z/dos (or whatever IBM calls it now
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