On 2006-02-24 09:41, howard.braazee said:
Except that if someone enters 00:01AM, while it might not be technically
correct, it is unambiguous.
Are you saying that, in your programs, you check for and allow 00:01AM?
It would be nice to be correct. It is more important to be clear
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:22:34 -0500, jaya relim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
And I wasn't implying that I would say that. However, given that some
people do say 12:00PM, I was merely suggesting how those of us that know
better could/should interpret it.
Usage of AM, PM in REXX: 12:00am = midnight,
and 00:01PM is even worse than 12:00AM and 12:00PM.
00:01 is 24hour format and therefore occurs only once per day. AM and PM
have no place in military time format.
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:13, howard.brazee wrote:
My take is that the best way to deal with it is to write my programs to
recognize that not everybody will make the same assumptions on what 12:00
AM means.
Yours seems to be to assume that one irrational choice is more preferred
than the other
jaya relim wrote:
At 18:47 o'clock PM, Joel C. Ewing said:
...
Specifiying 00:01AM and 00:01PM is even worse than 12:00AM and 12:00PM.
00:01 is 24hour format and therefore occurs only once per day. AM and PM
have no place in military time format.
...
I plead temporary insanity. I've run my
.
Chris Mason
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At 2006-02-21 09:08, Howard Brazee wrote:
But if someone enters 12:00 PM, obviously that is 12 after noon, not 12
before noon - but is midnight before or after noon?Nobody has a clock
that accepts 12:00 m or 12:00 mm.
Wrong as it is, the only reasonable way to interpret 12:00 PM is 12
The locution
12:00 PM
is, as posts to this thread have made clear once again, irretrievably
ambiguous. It is also subliterate.
The correct terminology is
dd:dd am, antre meridiem (before noon for Latin dropouts)
12:00 m, meridies (noon)
dd:dd pm, post meridiem (after noon)
12:00 mn, media
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...
But if someone enters 12:00 PM, obviously that is 12 after noon, not
12 before noon - but is midnight before or after noon?Nobody has a
clock that accepts 12:00 m or 12:00 mm.
...
Ante Meridiem (AM) means before noon; Post Meridiem (PM) means
after noon.
At 2006-02-22 14:18, Howard Brazee wrote:
On 22 Feb 2006 10:13:26 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wrong as it is, the only reasonable way to interpret 12:00 PM is 12 Noon
because of its proximity to 12:01 PM, 12:02 PM, ... , 12:59 PM. Similarly
12:00 AM would be 12:00 Midnight.
12 Noon
In a message dated 2/21/2006 6:57:11 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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ITYM longitudes.
I saw this on the History Channel and was fascinated
re:longitude.
_http://www.surveyhistory.org/john_harrison's_timepiece1.htm_
At 19:45 -0700 on 02/19/2006, Paul Gilmartin wrote about Re: Military Time?:
standard called for zero time to be the first second of the century.
I believe the standard calls for zero time to be one year prior
to the first second of the century. And that's a year before the
beginning
... generated an interrupt.
one of the issues with the location timer was that you wouldn't loose
clock tics with the overlapping MVC gimick ...
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006c.html#21 Military Time?
the clock either tic'ed the old value or the new value ... but a tic
wasn't lost.
with the new cpu timer
At 2006-02-20 04:56, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote:
epic
At 2006-02-20 10:38, Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote:
epoc
These are misspellings of epoch proportions!
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On 19 Feb 2006 14:18:20 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Giltner,
Jr.) wrote:
I personally perfer 24 hour time, as it saves a few characters
on the screen, no need to put AM, PM.
I agree. I especially dislike the illogical and incorrect use of
12:00 AM or 12:00
They are certainly subliterate, and they may perhaps even be epochal.
John Gilmore
Ashland, MA 01721-1817
USA
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Subject: Re: Military Time?
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:56:12
However note that 2400 is invalid to MVS
T CLOCK=24.00.00
IEE306I SET INVALID NUMERICS
John S. Giltner, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On 19 Feb 2006 14:18:20 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Giltner,
Jr.) wrote:
I personally
argument for the use of a date-subroutine
library that can be made.
John Gilmore
Ashland, MA 01721-1817
USA
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Subject: Re: Military Time?
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:21:31 -0800
Slightly off topic: in Japan some of the bars list their hours as, for
example, 1100 to 2800 (11:00 a.m. to 4:00 a.m.)
I have no idea what that factoid has to do with anything, but I'm
learning. :-)
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IBM Japan,
John D. Slayton wrote:
Are ALL Mainframe systems have the Military or hour format?
Please advise...thanks
I beleive that all clocks in all computers use a 24 hour clock
internally. How it display's is up to whomever writes the software and
the OS. I personally perfer 24 hour time, as it
This topic has been discussed ad nauseam. Consult the archives!
John Gilmore
Ashland, MA 01721-1817
USA
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John D. Slayton wrote:
Are ALL Mainframe systems have the Military or hour format?
Please advise...thanks
360s had a 32bit, binary timer ... located at location 80 (hex '50') in
real storage. it was about 15hr period ... and most machines updated it
about 3milliseconds. some machines had
Gene Cash wrote:
I never understood the reasoning behind this implementation. So it had
to go across the bus to increment the clock? It wasn't just a hardware
counter with an increment line tied to an oscillator?
originally, why i don't know.
360/67 had high-resolution timer option
In a recent note, Anne Lynn Wheeler said:
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:47:43 -0700
370 introduced 64bit hardware clock ... hardware spec called for
machines to update the timer on approx. same period as instruction
execution time ... but as if bit 51 represented one microsecond (bit
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