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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/04/2007 at 08:22 AM, "McKown, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Ah, you guessed. It wasn't hard; the case is notorious in Linux circles. >Groklaw-a-holic here. Not me, although I hit it once or twice. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO

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> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:47 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Remote Tape drives > > > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/29/2006 at 06:16 PM, Crispin Hugo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Any suggestions on ways we could have a tape drive 3490 in a remote >location attached to our mainframe. How large is the file? If speed is not important than I would expect the file to be small, in whi

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/29/2006 at 01:07 PM, "McKown, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >However, if desired I can go on and on and on about another lawsuit >that IBM has going at present. SCOX, née Caldera? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

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>I don't know of anyone whose computer work was lost. I'm going by the stories told by my (former) VP. When in doubt. PANIC!! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTE

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Ted MacNEIL wrote: > In the early 1970's, there was a fire in the University of > Toronto Computer Room (well before the protection(s) we have today). February 1977. Just coming up on the 30th anniversary. Been there, seen the flames, got the pictures. Learned many amazing lessons in DR/BC - s

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>Chaps, >Any suggestions on ways we could have a tape drive 3490 in a remote >location attached to our mainframe. We are talking about 1 thousand of >miles. Speed is not important THis is very doable today. I am running CNT Channel Extension (ESCON) out 300 miles and it can go the distance of y

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Gould) writes: > I have been exposed to two different "channel extenders" over the > years. Of the two each had its own weaknesses. I won't talk about > brand names other than to say they were from different parts of the US. > The first (and second) seemed to drive IOS nuts an

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I am sure that there are many options. I have used Network Systems and CNT, and now McData Channel Extenders, in the past and I am sure they would work, but at a price. However, I have also used a Barr Dos based solution for both 3480 and Printer extension (via a remote 37xx) from these folks

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In a message dated 12/30/2006 12:04:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Due to poor/untested backup/dr procedures a lot of master's/PHD work was still lost. UoT has top-level procedures, today. >> Wonder if there's an ISO standard for Academic research regarding pr

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>Well our earthquake proof building had hopped enough to knock about 50,000 >reels off the shelf and everybody that could read and bend over was put to work. In the early 1970's, there was a fire in the University of Toronto Computer Room (well before the protection(s) we have today). I had t

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In a message dated 12/30/2006 11:39:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: point out, at a non-disclosure on 3480's, that IBM had taken all the fun out of being a tape ape! >> Guess it's year end story time. Was working in Northern California and we had a little tumble

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>Cartridges you can't see anything. We used to have contests to see who could carry the most reels by stringing them on your arm. At 6'-2", I had the longest arms, so I always won. Couldn't do that with cartridges. I point out, at a non-disclosure on 3480's, that IBM had taken all the fun out

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Modern equipment is just so unsexy. With the old reel tapes, at least you could see the tape spinning, and the tape bouncing up and down in the vacuum columns. Cartridges you can't see anything. Eric Bielefeld Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer Lands End Dodgeville, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Ori

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--- What ever happened to those good old Mohawk data transfer units --- IIRC, they "died" at about the same time that open reel tapes died. CARTRIDGES RULE!!! :-(

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--- Any suggestions on ways we could have a tape drive 3490 in a remote location attached to our mainframe. We are talking about 1 thousand of miles. Speed is not important CNT Channel extension via

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On Dec 30, 2006, at 6:17 AM, Bob Shannon wrote: I have been exposed to two different "channel extenders" over the years these were attached to either a 4341 or a 168 (& 3033)) Ed - Your experience with extenders occurred over 20 years ago. This falls into the category of AFH and is not rele

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> I have been exposed to two different "channel extenders" over the > years > these were attached to either a 4341 or a 168 (& 3033)) Ed - Your experience with extenders occurred over 20 years ago. This falls into the category of AFH and is not relevant to modern equipment. Bob Shannon Rocket

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Bob, I have been exposed to two different "channel extenders" over the years. Of the two each had its own weaknesses. I won't talk about brand names other than to say they were from different parts of the US. The first (and second) seemed to drive IOS nuts and they were guilty of various er

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In a message dated 12/29/2006 1:17:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What ever happened to those good old Mohawk data transfer units >> Or the other ones? 37 somethings that took a 3420 and xMIT'd it over 9600 bisynch...Look ma no hands --

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Bruce Black wrote: Also check out McData.com (also known as InRange) for channel extenders. Like CNT, they have units that operate over IP CNT is a part of McDATA for quite long time Adva is part of CNT (which is a part...) InRange is also part of McDATA AFAIK, also McDATA was recently bough

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Thanks Bruce Crispin Hugo Systems Programmer, Macro 4 This email has been scanned for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security Service and the Macro 4 plc internal virus protection syst

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What ever happened to those good old Mohawk data transfer units -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://b

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Also check out McData.com (also known as InRange) for channel extenders. Like CNT, they have units that operate over IP -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROT

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> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carol Srna > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 1:04 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Remote Tape drives > > > Oh No. John said FlexES. Ple

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U cc Subject Re: Remote Tape drives > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Crispin Hugo > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:27 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Remote Tape drives > > >

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> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Crispin Hugo > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:27 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Remote Tape drives > > > Cheers John, > I thought channel e

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Tim, I would envisage that the 'remote' have access to the mainframe to run the jobs they require. Mount the tape required etc. Long distance operators ! Machine would think tape is local Crispin Hugo Systems Programmer, Macro 4 _

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You'll need people at both ends for a tape drive, too - tape drives end up with all sorts of issues requiring operator intervention. Tim Hare Senior Systems Programmer Florida Department of Transportation (850) 414-4209 > That would work but does require that we have people at both end availab

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I will investigate CNT. Many thanks Crispin Hugo Systems Programmer, Macro 4 This email has been scanned for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security Service and the Macro 4 plc interna

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Tim, That would work but does require that we have people at both end available. There may be a need to use this system over greater distances which would cause problems with time differences Crispin Hugo Systems Programmer, Macro 4 ___

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Again, I agree about CD but many of our customers want tape. We have to bow to their wishes. Crispin Hugo Systems Programmer, Macro 4 < _ This email has been scanned for all known viruses by the MessageLabs

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>CNT channel extender? Or do a Google search on "channel >extender" I've used CNT at two companies. They're expensive but do the job. At the first company the remote drives were about 1200 miles away. Bob Shannon Rocket Software

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) 414-4209 Crispin Hugo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 12/29/2006 01:27 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: Remote Tape drives Cheers John, I thought channel extenders had a finite distance , like

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Crispin Hugo wrote: Chaps, Any suggestions on ways we could have a tape drive 3490 in a remote location attached to our mainframe. We are talking about 1 thousand of miles. Speed is not important Use ftp instead ? Transmitted files could be: a) recorded on CD or DVD, b) use "locally attache

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Cheers John, I thought channel extenders had a finite distance , like about 250k. I think we are looking for something which would be IP based Crispin Hugo Systems Programmer, Macro 4 This email has been scanned for all k

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> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Crispin Hugo > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:16 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Remote Tape drives > > > Chaps, > Any suggestions on ways we

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Chaps, Any suggestions on ways we could have a tape drive 3490 in a remote location attached to our mainframe. We are talking about 1 thousand of miles. Speed is not important Crispin Hugo Systems Programmer, Macro 4 > Macro 4 plc, The Orangery,