from long ago and far away, IBM Jargon:
FS - n. Future System. A synonym for dreams that didn't come true.
That project will be another FS. Note that FS is also the
abbreviation for functionally stabilized, and, in Hebrew, means zero,
or nothing. Also known as False Start, etc.
... snip ...
I ha
In , on 03/23/2011
at 10:33 PM, Anne & Lynn Wheeler said:
>in the wake of FS demise
Parenthetical note. The Hebrew word 'efes means "nothing"; when I
first heard for Future Systems, I thought the acronym FS to be
extremely humorous; I didn't realize that it was also prophetic.
--
Shmu
"favorite son"
Thanks to all who cared to educate me. That will teach me a good lesson! ;-)
Yeah, if I am not learning something new now and then, I should retire... :-D
Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht
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was to be the "be all and end all" of operating systems.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#45 junking CKD; was "Social Security
Confronts IT Obsolescence"
in the wake of FS demise ... there was mad rush to get stuff back into
the 370 hardware & software product pip
In
<77142d37c0c3c34da0d7b1da7d7ca3430882a...@nwt-s-mbx2.rocketsoftware.com>,
on 03/22/2011
at 06:28 PM, Bill Fairchild said:
>most users DID junk their CKD several decades ago.
ECKD is still CKD format. Only VM and VSE users had the option to
ditch it; MVS users are still stuck with it.
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In ,
on 03/23/2011
at 07:04 AM, "McKown, John" said:
>PDSs can't exist without CKD.
Neither can PS. But why can't something exist on FBA that looks to the
programmer like PO and PS?
BTW, TSS/360 managed to provide PDS[1] functionality on page-formatted
volumes almost half a century ago.
[1]
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht
>
> Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote:
> >I was then called by somebody from the POK favorite son operating
system
>
> 'son operating system' ?
>
> U, I may be a dumb ( :-D ), but please excuse
alify ... since the transition occured so many decades ago ...
it possibly appeared superfluous at this point for the distinction
(unless in legacy discussion that specifically is about differences).
past posts in thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#31 "Social Security Confront
niversal aspect of human nature.
Bill Fairchild
Rocket Software
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Elardus Engelbrecht
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 12:57 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: junking CKD; was "Socia
Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote:
>I was then called by somebody from the POK favorite son operating system
'son operating system' ?
U, I may be a dumb ( :-D ), but please excuse my
ignorance, but what is that?
(I certainly know what is POK)
Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht
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re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#31 "Social Security Confronts IT
Obsolescence"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#35 junking CKD; was "Social Security
Confronts IT Obsolescence"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#37 junking CKD; was "Social Security
john.mck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown, John) writes:
> Perhaps "not financially viable". "We" complain about how much z/OS
> costs right now. Imagine the howls of rage if IBM were to increase the
> cost of z/OS by 10% (to pick a round, random, number) and say that it
> was to allow z/OS to use FBA
rch 22, 2011 2:36 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: junking CKD; was "Social Security Confronts IT
> Obsolescence"
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Anne & Lynn Wheeler
> >
> > [ snip ]
>
M Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of
> Bill Fairchild
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 11:28 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] junking CKD; was "Social Security Confronts IT
> Obsolescence"
>
> Lynn,
>
> I
l (which I
> understood)
> was the vast majority of channel hook ups for the box.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#31 "Social Security Confronts IT
Obsolescence"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#35 junking CKD; was "Social Security
Confronts IT Obsolescen
From: Bill Fairchild
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Tue, March 22, 2011 1:28:00 PM
Subject: Re: junking CKD; was "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
Lyn:
I bow to your expertize and have not read your paper on the 3725.
My sort of well let
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Anne & Lynn Wheeler
>
> [ snip ]
>
> pure conjecture ... a possible motivation for not bothering with
> fine-tuning any (e)ckd support is that these days all (e)ckd devices
are
> really some form of FBA device with an
gan planning to junk their CKD by going to
> ECKD.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#31 "Social Security Confronts IT
Obsolescence"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#35 junking CKD; was "Social Security
Confronts IT Obsolescence"
I'm still waiting for fol
Bill Fairchild
Rocket Software
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of
Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 12:17 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: junking CKD; was "Social Security Confronts IT Obs
bi...@mainstar.com (Bill Fairchild) writes:
> It was. ECKD was announced in the early- to mid-80s, which was 25+
> years ago, which is several decades ago. Not all users respond
> quickly.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#31 "Social Security Confronts IT
Obsolesc
Lynn Wheeler
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 7:03 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
for other drift ... recent thread in (linkedin) Mainframe group about Oracle on
zLinux under zVM having bad thruput on "CKD" disks (before movi
r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl (R.S.) writes:
> SSA? It's obsoleted by FC and SAS. Even IBM don't use SSA anymore.
> (sorry couldn't resist) ;-)
old post about 9333/Harrier (serial copper) turning into SSA. I had
been working on getting them to turn into FCS (fiber channel standard)
compatibilit
economic hardship... for no real reason.
we can continue this far off topic offline if you want.
Ed
From: "Martinez, Frank J"
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 10:01:04 AM
Subject: Re: "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence&q
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In other words, instead of using the allocated monies to upgrade IT, the
used to to expand the bureaucracy and complicate the rules and
regulations so there would be more need for more judges and more rulings.
-
-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ed
Gould [ps2...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:53 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
Sigh... Indeed this is the case. This off topic (way off) but I can assure you
that he cut back on funding
so it was standard
to deny the claim and then it took 6 years for the judges to hear the claim.
Ed
From: "Martinez, Frank J"
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 6:52:31 AM
Subject: Re: "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence&qu
From: R.S.
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 2:46:01 AM
Subject: Re: "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
Ed Gould pisze:
> John:
>
> Do not forget the "current" system at ssa is horredously out of date. I h
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Ed Gould
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 12:21 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
Ed Gould pisze:
John:
Do not forget the "current" system at ssa is horredously out of date. I heard
some numbers but won't repeat them as I can't prove it.
Add in as usual the government cheaped out on their equipment and went channel
extender route. I have heard some horror stories but again
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Subject: Re: "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht
>
> Gabe Goldberg wrote:
>
> >Quite a deep h
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
> [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chase, John
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:08 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
>
> >
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht
>
> Gabe Goldberg wrote:
>
> >Quite a deep hole SSA's dug itself into.
>
> They are having a 'catch 22' situation:
>
> 'About 42% of the agency's IT specialists are expected to retire
between
>
Gabe Goldberg wrote:
>Quite a deep hole SSA's dug itself into.
They are having a 'catch 22' situation:
'About 42% of the agency's IT specialists are expected to retire between
2010 and 2016.'
and
'...the agency is in the middle of a hiring freeze. '
OUCH!
Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelb
Quite a deep hole SSA's dug itself into.
Interesting "According to a project plan released in August, the
facility will reach its maximum electrical distribution capacity within
four years", given increased mainframe efficiency and higher storage
densities.
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