Bob, please post this information on the Hercules-390 Yahoo group. (You can
subscribe to the list without joining Yahoo; contact me offlist if you need
more info.) There is also a specific Hercules-OS360 group at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-os360/.
The reference cards can be scanned
> I find myself in possession of some old IBM tapes.
OK, I heard back from Al Kossow at CHM.
He absolutely wants to read them for the bitsavers archive.
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> I find myself in possession of some old IBM tapes.
> Of no use to me, but maybe someone has "reel" tape drives
> (ie, not "cart"). All have labels of 9T, 1600bpi density.
>
> 1) Scientific Subroutine Package, V3M0, dated 9-19-74.
>
> 2) OS360, Rel 21.8, dated 10-08-74.
>
> 3) OS360, Rel 21.8,
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
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Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 7:04 PM
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Subject: [IBM-MAIN] old
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Has OS/360 21.8 6 of 9 install tapes. Does not list a date.
If you can give the title and document numbers for each reference card
we can see if we have a copy..
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Bob Wilhelm wrote:
> I find myself in possession of some old IBM tap
I find myself in possession of some old IBM tapes.
Of no use to me, but maybe someone has "reel" tape drives
(ie, not "cart"). All have labels of 9T, 1600bpi density.
1) Scientific Subroutine Package, V3M0, dated 9-19-74.
2) OS360, Rel 21.8, dated 10-08-74.
3) OS360, Rel 21.8, dated 3-25-76.
Where I'm at now, they just got rid of File Manager and went back to File-Aid,
which they had before. The programmers liked File-Aid better.
I remember, some time in the 90's, getting Ditto in. We had used the old
Ditto, which I think was the same one back from VS1 days. The operators hated
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ken Porowski
>
> IBM* DITTO/ESA for OS/390 or MVS Version 1 Release 3
>
> Is what I have.
> I've been ordering it with my ServerPac's for every z/OS
> release I've had.
> Not really changed since the ESA days (as
On 5/7/08, Ken Porowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> IBM* DITTO/ESA for OS/390 or MVS Version 1 Release 3
>
> Not sure if File Manager is really a replacement, I thought it was a
> competitor for Compuware File-Aid
File Manager incorporates Ditto but includes MUCH, MUCH more functionality.
Ji
the CICS Guy..
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Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:39 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: 3420 old tapes
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 05/06/2008
at 02:24 PM
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 05/06/2008
at 02:24 PM, Todd Burrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I am trying to read these files on a 3420 tape
What kind of tape? 7-track or 9-track?
>When I run tape map
Which tape map? On what kind of drive?
> I am trying to read these files on a 3420 tape
>d
IBM* DITTO/ESA for OS/390 or MVS Version 1 Release 3
Is what I have.
I've been ordering it with my ServerPac's for every z/OS release I've
had.
Not really changed since the ESA days (as you can tell by it's name).
IMHO lost some functionality when they added security to it (If I KNEW
the %$#* d
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex R.
>
> I'm pretty sure Ditto is only shipped with z/OS if you pay for it.
I believe it's called File Manager nowadays, and it is a priced product.
We demo'd Version 1.0 "way back when", and at the time i
I'm pretty sure Ditto is only shipped with z/OS if you pay for it.
Rex
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Glen Gasior
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 2:39 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: 3420 old tapes
Can the ta
ape I get the data in the attachment.
>
> I am trying to read these files on a 3420 tape
> drive, and when I put the density (DEN=2) into my JCL I get a 413-24
> abend.
> I've tried various combinations and I cannot seem to get these old tapes
> to
> read, and without de
map against
> the tape I get the data in the attachment.
>
> I am trying to read these files on a 3420 tape
> drive, and when I put the density (DEN=2) into my JCL I get a 413-24
> abend.
> I've tried various combinations and I cannot seem to get these old tapes
> to
> read
: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:25 AM
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Subject: Re: 3420 old tapes
Wow - you hadn't used the drives for 3 years and they actually worked
when you brought them online! When I was at P&a
Wow - you hadn't used the drives for 3 years and they actually worked when you
brought them online! When I was at P&H, we had 2 3420s left until about a year
before the datacenter closed.
My experience with those old IBM drives was the rubber hoses tended to get
dryed out and crack. I know
DC in any capacity is invited to participate in our
survey.
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2008-05-06 John Eells &l
me Discussion List wrote on 05/06/2008
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the density (DEN=2) into my JCL I get a 413-24 abend.
I've tried various combinations and I cannot seem to get these old tapes to
read, and without density IEBGENER gets a RC=12 for conflicting DCB info.
I've also tried BLP and specifying the DCB parms directly, and still no luck.
D
2008-05-06 John Eells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 3420-4, -6, and -8 could definitely be used for both 1600bpi and 6250bpi but
> *not* for 800 bpi. I don't recall at this point whether the odd-numbered
> models (-3, -5, -7) could read 800 bpi or were 1600 bpi only. If the latter,
> I think y
e tape I get the data in the attachment.
I am trying to read these files on a 3420 tape
drive, and when I put the density (DEN=2) into my JCL I get a 413-24 abend.
I've tried various combinations and I cannot seem to get these old tapes to
read, and without density IEBGENER gets a RC=12 f
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Todd Burrell
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:24 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: 3420 old tapes
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>I don't recall at this point whether the odd-numbered models (-3, -5, -7)
>could read 800 bpi or were 1600 bpi. only.
The low end 3420 could definitely reads 800 BPI.
I have never worked with anything less than a 3400-series tape drive and we had
a lot of 800 tapes in the 1980's (customer excha
Pommier, Rex R. wrote:
What model of 3420 drive do you have? I am pretty sure at least the
later models (4, 6, and 8) could only read 1600 or 6250 bpi.
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/storage/storage_3420.html
3420-4, -6, and -8 could definitely be used for both 1600bpi and 6250b
On 6 May 2008 13:08:45 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Linda Mooney)
wrote:
>We got rid of all of our 800 bpi tapes a long time ago- sometime around 1990 I
>think, because the new version of MVS we were installing at the time no
>longer supported 800 bpi. Since we had a major customer who required t
/OCOO/ITSO) (CTR)
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:23 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: 3420 old tapes
I appreciate all of the replies. As I had figured, we're pretty much
out of luck right now. We're going to try and figure out a way to get
on a 3420 that can read 800 BPI, but we ma
nda Mooney
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:08 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: 3420 old tapes
We got rid of all of our 800 bpi tapes a long time ago- sometime around
1990 I think, because the new version of MVS we were installing at the
time no longer supported 800 bpi. Since we had a majo
he density (DEN=2) into my JCL I get a 413-24 abend.
> I've tried various combinations and I cannot seem to get these old tapes to
> read, and without density IEBGENER gets a RC=12 for conflicting DCB info.
> I've also tried BLP and specifying the DCB parms directly, a
Behalf Of Todd Burrell
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:24 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: 3420 old tapes
Hello:
I have an oldie but a goodie. One of our user areas sent us 9 3420
tapes
today, and some of them appear to be 800 BPI. When I run tape map
against
the tape I get the data in the
my JCL I get a 413-24 abend.
I've tried various combinations and I cannot seem to get these old tapes to
read, and without density IEBGENER gets a RC=12 for conflicting DCB info.
I've also tried BLP and specifying the DCB parms directly, and still no luck.
Does anyone have any s
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#29 old tapes
and for total (internet) topic drift collection of old email mentioning
nsfnet related
activity from the 80s
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#nsfnet
1jan83 was the technology/protocol conversion from the old arpanet host-to
Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote:
It is. I have the complete free SCRIPTW; I don't know whether Waterloo
has put the chargeable version in the public domain or whether it is
still proprietary.
the original script was done at the science center in the mid-60s by
stu madnick for cms using runoff-li
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 02/07/2007
at 11:07 PM, glen herrmannsfeldt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>I have a scanned Waterloo SCRIPT manual to send to bitsavers. I don't
>know if that is the same version as SCRIPTW.
It is. I have the complete free SCRIPTW; I don't know whether Waterloo
has put t
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I'm quite certain that the Hercules people would like copies. Jay?
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I assume that you mean SNOBOL 4; IC
"Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" wrote:
> I'm quite certain that the Hercules people would like copies. Jay?
>>SONBOL
I believe SNOBOL4 is easily available.
> I assume that you mean SNOBOL 4; ICEBOL is proprietary.
> Assembler G?
Some version of Assembler G is on CBTtape.
> I've got SCRIPTW if a
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/23/2007
at 11:01 AM, Rick Fochtman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>And I'm always looking for old software as well.
I'm quite certain that the Hercules people would like copies. Jay?
>SONBOL
I assume that you mean SNOBOL 4; ICEBOL is proprietary.
Assembler G?
I've
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Many of us, who were hoarding old tapes, not knowing what would be
done with them, of course never anticipated that you can run MVS on a
PC. (And you LEGALLY can run 1975-vintage MVS 3.8 at home.)
So even if you think your old
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I've got Heart's Dream Boat Annie on 8 track cartridge. Looks like it
might fit into a 3480/3490 drive. Does that count?
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Aaaa no, I don't think so :-)
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Many of us, who were hoarding old tapes, not knowing what would be
done with them, of course never anticipated that you can run MVS on a
PC. (And you LEGALLY can run 1975-vintage MVS 3.8 at home.)
So even if you think your old tapes aren't useful, you can make them
useful to SOM
I've got Heart's Dream Boat Annie on 8 track cartridge. Looks like it might
fit into a 3480/3490 drive. Does that count?
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Sam Golob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Saving your old tapes
Date: Tue
Hi Folks,
It just occurred to me after having a discussion with a fellow
sysprog that most of us have old tapes and cartridges lying around
(collecting dust) which have potential usefulness if they'd be converted
to DVDs or CD roms and put into AWS format. The technology is cert
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