Re: user-written MVS subsystems

2009-11-17 Thread Chris Craddock
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Clark Morris wrote: > On 16 Nov 2009 23:11:57 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: > > >Unfortunately, you're in a pretty difficult situation. In a perfect world > I > >would say that you should re-write the stuff correctly, but here in the > real > >world,

Re: user-written MVS subsystems

2009-11-17 Thread Clark Morris
On 16 Nov 2009 23:11:57 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >Unfortunately, you're in a pretty difficult situation. In a perfect world I >would say that you should re-write the stuff correctly, but here in the real >world, you probably don't have the time to do that. You may not even know

Re: user-written MVS subsystems

2009-11-17 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
Thank you all for your contributions. First, this was posted on IBM-MAIN erroneously. It was only meant to appear on the ASSEMBLER List. But thank you for your feedback anyway, it was of great help. Second, the subsystems do some significant work, for example, fast communication between IMS reg

Re: user-written MVS subsystems

2009-11-17 Thread Hal Merritt
ailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Brian Westerman Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:10 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: user-written MVS subsystems Unfortunately, you're in a pretty difficult situation. In a perfect world I would say that you should re-write the stuff correctly, but

Re: user-written MVS subsystems

2009-11-17 Thread Bob Shannon
> Isn't serialization also a possible problem if doing your own chaining? The OP indicated chaining was done with Compare & Swap. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, sen

Re: user-written MVS subsystems

2009-11-16 Thread Brian Westerman
Unfortunately, you're in a pretty difficult situation. In a perfect world I would say that you should re-write the stuff correctly, but here in the real world, you probably don't have the time to do that. You may not even know how to do it the "right" way, but I think that you will probably work

Re: user-written MVS subsystems

2009-11-16 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:59:50 -0800 Edward Jaffe wrote: :>Bernd Oppolzer wrote: :>> Maybe the services didn't exist yet when the original code was written? :>Very likely. Absolutely. :>> What do you think of this, is it ok to do it this way? Are there any :>> drawbacks? Do you have any hints in

Re: user-written MVS subsystems

2009-11-16 Thread Arthur T.
On 16 Nov 2009 11:37:23 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:) martin.kl...@yrcw.com (Martin Kline) wrote: If it were my code and I still supported it, then I'd rewrite it to use the 'preferred' macro interfaces. On 16 Nov 2009 12:24:03 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:)

Re: user-written MVS subsystems

2009-11-16 Thread Elliot, David
ies Software Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bernd Oppolzer Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: user-written MVS subsystems Dear listers, at my customer's site there are some us

Re: user-written MVS subsystems

2009-11-16 Thread David Andrews
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 14:36 -0500, Martin Kline wrote: > If it was written in the eighties, there was little documentation and fewer > macros to support subsystem interface. IBM did teach basic SSI architecture in that two-week MVS internals class. > I remember spending many hours pouring over

Re: user-written MVS subsystems

2009-11-16 Thread Martin Kline
>I started examining the code and observed that he doesn't use the services >described in the books like "Using the Subsystem Interfaces", Chapter >4, "Writing Your Own Subsystem", but instead he inserted the control blocks >like SSCT and SSVT using GETMAIN and CS (taking care of parallel writers)

Re: user-written MVS subsystems

2009-11-16 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:59:50 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: >Bernd Oppolzer wrote: >> Maybe the services didn't exist yet when the original code was written? > >Very likely. > >> >> What do you think of this, is it ok to do it this way? Are there any >> drawbacks? Do you have any hints in general? Wo

Re: user-written MVS subsystems

2009-11-16 Thread Rick Fochtman
At my customer's site there are some user-written MVS subsystems, written in the 80s and 90s. They seem to be very important and are in production use every day. Now I was asked to take responsibility for them, because the guy who wrote

Re: user-written MVS subsystems

2009-11-16 Thread Edward Jaffe
Bernd Oppolzer wrote: Maybe the services didn't exist yet when the original code was written? Very likely. What do you think of this, is it ok to do it this way? Are there any drawbacks? Do you have any hints in general? Would you consider to rewrite significant parts of these subsystems to

user-written MVS subsystems

2009-11-16 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
Dear listers, at my customer's site there are some user-written MVS subsystems, written in the 80s and 90s. They seem to be very important and are in production use every day. Now I was asked to take responsibility for them, because the guy who wrote them will be retired soon. I st