Why have cataloged VVDS datasets?

2013-12-31 Thread David G. Schlecht
According to IBM, the VVDS datasets are no longer being cataloged (if I’m reading it right: https://www-304.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg3S175). Yet, the VVDS on most of our Respack volumes are being cataloged. 1. Does anyone have any idea why and how they get cataloged? Is it p

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-31 Thread Scott Ford
Tony, For sure. Surprising IBM doesn't want to release a format so a ISV can develop a new or better product for Book Manager, but who am I a mere mortal... Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' > On Dec 31, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Tony Harminc wrot

Re: REXX tutorial

2013-12-31 Thread Scott Ford
Ted, Did a lot of Netview automation in Rexx, really enjoyed doing the automation and testing. Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' > On Dec 31, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote: > > I dabbled a bit in university, but I really got into in

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-31 Thread Tony Harminc
On 31 December 2013 16:10, Scott Ford wrote: > Tony, > > Is the DCF format for Book Manager available ? So someone could rewrite code > to read it and process it ? Not that I know of. That's really what I'd like IBM to provide, but I think it's unlikely. Presumably it could be reverse engineered

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-31 Thread Scott Ford
Tony, Is the DCF format for Book Manager available ? So someone could rewrite code to read it and process it ? Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' > On Dec 31, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Tony Harminc wrote: > > On 31 December 2013 14:34, Shmuel Metz

Re: REXX tutorial

2013-12-31 Thread Ted MacNEIL
It was easy for me, too. I just didn't get involved until it came out on ESA because I didn't work with VM a long time after University. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Scott Ford Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Date:

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-31 Thread Tony Harminc
On 31 December 2013 14:34, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > on 12/30/2013 at 03:29 PM, Tony Harminc said: > >>It seems plausible that at least some of the code would be common >>with other platform implementations. > > Are you talking about BookManager/READ? That's not what's under dispute. I'm

Re: REXX tutorial

2013-12-31 Thread Scott Ford
Happy holidays Ted, rexx was easy for me personally. It had and still has a lot of good features for scripting and prototyping. I use it a long with RACF calls to parse output. I consider parsing it's great strength. Easy to do and fast Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wi

Re: Learning Rexx

2013-12-31 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
scott_j_f...@yahoo.com (Scott Ford) writes: > Not a difficult to we who worked VM or Linux...that's kind of a vague > generation trivia ... I did internal adtech conf. spring '82 (week before share) ... it was first for a number of yrs since the corporate retrenching after the failure of future s

Re: REXX tutorial

2013-12-31 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I dabbled a bit in university, but I really got into in under MVS/ESA when it came out under TSO. Then, a few years later, I moved to VM/CMS and started coding it there. Sort of the reverse of most. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: S

Re: Learning Rexx

2013-12-31 Thread Scott Ford
Shane, Not a difficult to we who worked VM or Linux...that's kind of a vague generation Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' > On Dec 31, 2013, at 5:23 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote: > >> On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:36:46 +0800, David Crayford wrote: >>

Re: Major, Minor CDE

2013-12-31 Thread Micheal Butz
I doing it from the outside XMEM But the first is good enough Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 31, 2013, at 2:38 PM, "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" > wrote: > > In <0f20e5de-10c1-4297-9d1f-f0f2c23cc...@optonline.net>, on 12/30/2013 > at 05:15 PM, Micheal Butz said: > >> I started from ASXBFTCB l

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 12/30/2013 at 03:29 PM, Tony Harminc said: >It seems plausible that at least some of the code would be common >with other platform implementations. Are you talking about BookManager/READ? That's not what's under dispute. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO

Re: Major, Minor CDE

2013-12-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <0f20e5de-10c1-4297-9d1f-f0f2c23cc...@optonline.net>, on 12/30/2013 at 05:15 PM, Micheal Butz said: >I started from ASXBFTCB looking at TCBJPQ which had a CDE entry but >not for program on the job step. There may be more than one job step in an address space. Presumably the one you want to

Re: Major, Minor CDE

2013-12-31 Thread Micheal Butz
Thanks in either case I would to chain to the oldest RB to get the EXEC PGM=. CDE Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 31, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Peter Relson wrote: > > As has been posted in response to earlier threads related to the jobstep > program task, ASCBXTCB contains the address of the jobstep

Re: One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <1388417488.11875.16.camel@localhost>, on 12/30/2013 at 10:31 AM, David Andrews said: >Though the wikipedia article doesn't mention it, my recollection is >that Magnuson's M80 system was microprogrammable by the user. >Anybody remember/use that? Remember. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Me

Re: REXX tutorial

2013-12-31 Thread Scott Ford
Learned Rexx on VM when it first came out like Elardus. Looked over the manual initially and then wrote simple rexx execs and then played/researched to improve my techniques like any other language Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' > On Dec

Re: Spawned Address Space Control in tcsh shell

2013-12-31 Thread Tony Harminc
On 31 December 2013 13:23, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > Most (?) of the complaints about (non-)shared areas stem from the > non-propagation of DDNAMEs through fork(). Ain't gonna get better > (NVFL, anyway). Because of ENQ conflicts between parent and child. > Extend the ENQ scope to job rather than

Re: Spawned Address Space Control in tcsh shell

2013-12-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:24:23 -0500, Rob Schramm wrote: >This whole share areas thing is annoying at best. And confounding and time >consuming at the worst. Has anyone at IBM thought of a way to actually fix >this in a more functional way? > >Winning friends and influencing with my tactful opinio

Re: REXX tutorial

2013-12-31 Thread Phil Smith
Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: >You actually tried RTFM? 3 times? ;-D > don't need no stinking manuals, I just try my luck. If all else fails, I then > RTFM... ;-D It's actually quite an amazing book: as you go through each pass, the stuff from the previous pass is right there if you need it. I've a

Re: When DB2 V10 sits around the house...

2013-12-31 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 12/31/2013 9:25 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote: I remember a similar conversation once at a SHARE meeting in which Sam Knutson, who was working for GEIGO at the time, Of course, I meant to write "GEICO"... :-[ -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA

Re: Spawned Address Space Control in tcsh shell

2013-12-31 Thread Kirk Wolf
To be technical, /bin/sh isn't "_BPX_SHAREAS" aware. It uses spawn() rather than fork()/exec() in many cases. When using spawn(), _BPX_SHAREAS controls whether a local spawn is down. The best documentation on _BPX_SHAREAS is in the z/OS Unix Assembler Callable Services Guide - under BPX1SPN. AF

Re: When DB2 V10 sits around the house...

2013-12-31 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 12/31/2013 9:14 AM, Skip Robinson wrote: Digging down further, we observed that several DB2 subsystems had ballooned from <35,000 fixed frames under V9 to >100,000 under V10. The system essentially could not function. After beefing up the LPAR to more than 32 GB of storage, it would still not

Re: Spawned Address Space Control in tcsh shell

2013-12-31 Thread Rob Schramm
This whole share areas thing is annoying at best. And confounding and time consuming at the worst. Has anyone at IBM thought of a way to actually fix this in a more functional way? Winning friends and influencing with my tactful opinions, *grin* Rob Schramm On Dec 31, 2013 8:21 AM, "Paul Gilmar

When DB2 V10 sits around the house...

2013-12-31 Thread Skip Robinson
it sits arounnd the house. We installed DB2 V10 over the weekend on one development sysplex member in compatibility mode. The system would not run with messages about insufficient pageable storage. This a smallish LPAR used primarily to test/validate DB2 data sharing and sysplex

Re: REXX tutorial

2013-12-31 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
David Boyes wrote: >The CMS REXX Users Guide was designed to be read 3 times -- first time for >newbies, 2nd for more advanced topics, 3rd time as a reference. You actually tried RTFM? 3 times? ;-D I don't need no stinking manuals, I just try my luck. If all else fails, I then RTFM... ;-D Hmmm

Re: DCF on OS/2

2013-12-31 Thread Phil Smith
David Boyes wrote: I REALLY wish IBM would release Bookie into the public domain. DocBook frankly SUCKS, and a well-documented publically available set of markup tags created by people who write books for a living would be an enormous improvement... I agree 100%. Here's what's weird: tech writer

Re: DCF on OS/2

2013-12-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2013-12-31, at 06:47, David Boyes wrote: > IBM did produce a OS/2 version of Bookmanager/BUILD. ... > That suggests it was written in PL/S. I understand IBM used PL/S for OS/2 (internally) to produce some products, such as SuperC for OS/2. > I REALLY wish IBM would release Bookie into the

Re: Maximum Capacity Feature

2013-12-31 Thread Ken Porowski
The data sheet says 8.5 TB native (uncompressed) capacity. CIT | Ken Porowski | VP Mainframe Engineering | Information Technology | +1 973 740 5459 (tel) | ken.porow...@cit.com This email message and any accompanying materials may contain proprietary, privileged and confidential informatio

IODF Channel Assignment

2013-12-31 Thread Dazzo, Matt
We have a new IBM DS8870 that I have to define to the IODF. We are going to have (16) 2107 type LCU's controllers and about 3k total devices defined to those 16 LCU's. We also have 16 FICON channels available to use, I was thinking about defining 8 channels to each LCU. We currently have 4 chan

Re: DCF on OS/2

2013-12-31 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
dbo...@sinenomine.net (David Boyes) writes: > FWIW, I think Waterloo still distributes the PC version of Waterloo > SCRIPT. Their GML implementation was reasonably compatible with the > DCF one, although Bookie tags never worked properly. > > I REALLY wish IBM would release Bookie into the public d

DCF on OS/2

2013-12-31 Thread David Boyes
IBM did produce a OS/2 version of Bookmanager/BUILD. I won a copy of it at a SHARE trade show. It was really, really slow, but it would take my Bookie input and produce useful output. It never got much love from IBM, though -- I think they did it because the IRS wanted a desktop version. It neve

REXX tutorial

2013-12-31 Thread David Boyes
The CMS REXX Users Guide was designed to be read 3 times -- first time for newbies, 2nd for more advanced topics, 3rd time as a reference. I used it to teach my mom REXX. 8-) PDF download from www.vm.ibm.com/library 8-) -- For

Re: Spawned Address Space Control in tcsh shell

2013-12-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:03:38 -0800, Roger Steyn wrote: > John , " This talks about the _BPX_SHAREAS environment variable. This environment variable is not mentioned anywhere in the documentation of tcsh."� Your are right . BPX_SHAREAS cannot be used for tcsh . It is documented in USS planning

Re: Major, Minor CDE

2013-12-31 Thread Peter Relson
As has been posted in response to earlier threads related to the jobstep program task, ASCBXTCB contains the address of the jobstep program task when a job is active in an initiator or a started task's jobstep program has been attached. And, similarly, TCBJSTCB of *your* TCB (PSATOLD) will loc

Re: Spawned Address Space Control in tcsh shell

2013-12-31 Thread Mark Jacobs
Then using tcsh in a batch job with the expectation of being able to read/write allocated datasets can't ever work. I had a two step batch job, step one allocated a new dataset and wrote some data into it. The second step tried to sftp the data to my workstation. Using DD:// failed, since

Re: Learning Rexx

2013-12-31 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:36:46 +0800, David Crayford wrote: >Designing routines to co-operate in a pipeline is a very different >programming paradigm to what the vast majority of REXX programmers on >z/OS are familar with. s/REXX // Shane ... --