Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-10 Thread David L. Craig
On 14May09:0635-0500, John McKown wrote: Say! Here's a neat sleep-deprived idea: In the above scenario, keep the offsite repository in the NSA ultra-center in Utah! This would require a commercial aspect to the NSA. But they're going to intercept and store the information any way if it is

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-10 Thread David L. Craig
On 14May10:1036-0400, David L. Craig wrote: The Chinese would appreciate the one-stop shopping for its ISV industrial espionage, certainly. Actually, the Federal government already has such a facility under DNA.probably. This might be an opportunity to set up a nasty honeypot with doctored

Re: Loadlib compare utility

2014-05-10 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 5/9/2014 12:47 PM, Lucas Rosalen wrote: File #182 on CBTTape shows you module sizes, linkage date, etc... then you can run the old loadlib thru the same process and compare yourself. I'm not aware if it can really compare for you, but you can get a comparison yourself out of it for sure. I

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-10 Thread Scott Ford
Working for a Major ISV, I experienced a dispute . A former employee accused the vendor of stealing his code. He didn't read the fine print in his NDA...any code developed was the vendors Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD On May 10, 2014, at 10:44 AM, David L. Craig

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-10 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 5/9/2014 6:51 PM, CM Poncelet wrote: So there is a third kind of problem when an ISV cannot fix yet will not release its code and the ISV has not 'gone bust', because its source code in escrow cannot then be accessed either. My worst experience of this kind was the ADRDSSU CONSOLIDATE bug

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-10 Thread John Gilmore
EJ wrote: begin extract I never asked for (and IBM never offered me) a copy of the ADRDSSU source code and, though I believe myself to be an excellent diagnostician, in all honesty it's unrealistic to believe I could have solved this any faster by myself, even if IBM had given me full access. The

Re: z/OS FTPS Client Linux FTP server

2014-05-10 Thread Rob Schramm
Congrats. Of course the latest recommendations are to move away from TLS 1.0 because of vulnerabilities. Rob Schramm On May 9, 2014 4:48 PM, Mark Pace pacemainl...@gmail.com wrote: One thing I just noticed as I was documenting this. I had changed my ftp server from using the GoDaddy assigned

Re: Tools - APF updates

2014-05-10 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-05-10 10:21, mf db pisze: Hi, I am looking for a tool which can perform a automated entry of dataset into APF(PROGxx) member(Not dynamic Update). I have no problem in updating manually, but was just looking for a automated procedure. Any direction or pointers would be great.

Re: Tools - APF updates

2014-05-10 Thread Lucas Rosalen
It looks to me he wants/need some sort of panel-based program where you would input a loadlib name, volume and sulfix of PROGxx, then it would automatically update PROGxx with that APF entry. At least this was my understanding. Lucas 2014-05-10 15:34 GMT-03:00 R.S.

Re: Tools - APF updates

2014-05-10 Thread mf db
Thank you lucas for your input. I was looking a similar solutions. On 11 May 2014 00:51, Lucas Rosalen rosalen.lu...@gmail.com wrote: It looks to me he wants/need some sort of panel-based program where you would input a loadlib name, volume and sulfix of PROGxx, then it would automatically

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-10 Thread Duffy Nightingale
I agree with John Gilmore. Once the paranoia starts, it never ends. Having an updated copy of source or a copy that matches the version in use at your site with compiling/assembly instructions and some basic architecture sure beats the heck out of nothing. Big companies, such as IBM,

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-10 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 5/10/2014 11:01 AM, John Gilmore wrote: Emphasis does, however, need to be placed on the pronoun 'someone'. If this code had been available not just to someone but to all of us, quite rapid progress might well have been made with a problem perceived to be important to the community.

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-10 Thread John McKown
Go Debian! It installs from source. On May 10, 2014 2:44 PM, Duffy Nightingale du...@soundsoftware.us wrote: I agree with John Gilmore. Once the paranoia starts, it never ends. Having an updated copy of source or a copy that matches the version in use at your site with compiling/assembly

Re: Tools - APF updates

2014-05-10 Thread R.S.
Well, now I understand the need. IMHO it's few hours of REXX+ISPF coding, but it's not worth doing it. A person who cannot manage PROGxx syntax should not be allowed to change APF. And the APF change is usually not everyday process, so there is no big gain of such tool. Of course my opinions

AW: Re: System z StackExchange proposal

2014-05-10 Thread Peter Hunkeler
I'm not *opposed* to the idea, but you might want to suggest why this is somehow better than IBM-MAIN (plus archives). One view says This would fragment the community, which would NOT be a good thing. My points go to this votum. Listserv based fora are slim and can be followed and used by mail

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-10 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 07:18 +0100 on 05/10/2014, CM Poncelet wrote about Re: Vendor Source Code: No, the ISV's updated code had assumed that a transaction's combination of parms had to be either 'this' or 'that' etc. but had overlooked that it could also be 'other' - which when true caused the ISV's code to loop

Re: System z StackExchange proposal

2014-05-10 Thread John Gilmore
Different fora often have quite different atmospheres. This one, for example, is characterized by topic drift, which some find objectionable and others---I am among them---do not. I did look through all of the questions that have so far been raised in this new StackExchange forum. They are not

Re: System z StackExchange proposal

2014-05-10 Thread John Gilmore
Different fora often have quite different atmospheres. This one, for example, is characterized by topic drift, which some find objectionable and others---I am among them---do not. I did look through all of the questions that have so far been raised in this new StackExchange forum. They are not

Re: Tools - APF updates

2014-05-10 Thread Lizette Koehler
I might ask about the auditors and this type of function. I believe that this should be a controlled resource and therefore the person doing an update should know what they are doing. Any program that goes into an APF Authorized library can play havoc in the operating system. So I would not

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-10 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Sat, 10 May 2014 12:58:21 -0700, Ed Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: FWIW, I don't think the source code for Program Products like ADRDSSU was available even in the pre-OCO days. Too long ago I do however recall sitting down at a (very old) fiche reader in the computer room at

Re: System z StackExchange proposal

2014-05-10 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Sat, 10 May 2014 17:11:11 -0400, John Gilmore wrote: I did look through all of the questions that have so far been raised in this new StackExchange forum. I'm sure most of us have. My initial response to most was RTFM, so I'll stay away. They do usually make a good resource for later 'net

Re: RMF APIs

2014-05-10 Thread Graham Harris
Use of RMF Data server (GPMSERVE) may be an option. On 9 May 2014 23:37, Roger Lowe roger_l...@bigpond.com wrote: On Fri, 9 May 2014 18:13:05 +, ITURIEL DO NASCIMENTO NETO 4254.itur...@bradesco.com.br wrote: I'm doing an assembler program that needs to know actual CPU consumption of

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-10 Thread Ed Gould
Shane, I had a few occurrences of looking at code that way. After looking at a IFCEREP1 module I found a really bad code sequence (causing cpu usage to sky rocket when running a specific report) The damn module did a sequential table look up that was absolutely terrible. It could have

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-10 Thread Tony Harminc
On 10 May 2014 15:58, Ed Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: FWIW, I don't think the source code for Program Products like ADRDSSU was available even in the pre-OCO days. Some IBM Program Products had source code available from the earliest days. For example, the PL/I Optimizing compiler

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-10 Thread Tony Harminc
On 8 May 2014 22:09, Mitch mitc...@aol.com wrote: And for the likes of the larger ISVs, I would guess all of their product source code is in escrow and kept up to date. Maybe not so much for the mom and pop software companies, but the big ones, yes. I think it's exactly the mom and pop ISVs