John:
I had to use Firefox to get it to work. OOPS.
Ed
On Nov 30, 2015, at 9:19 PM, John McKown wrote:
It still displays for me.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Ed Gould
wrote:
John,
Apparently the article has been taken down as I get zippo (blank
page) .
Anyone have the full text
On Nov 30, 2015, at 5:54 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
SNIP-
With the advent of facility and function indications in
z/Architecture, the technique of trial execution should
be avoided - particularly if a workload may be relocated
to another system in
And, &SYSALVL, could only give you information about the machine that you
were assembling on, not the one that you were running on.
Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http://dovetail.com
On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
> I am not a LOADXX guru but &SYSALVL looks like wa
Shades of the Capex Optimizer for ANSI COBOL back in the 1980s.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
> Me too! What I am fascinated by is the extension of the definition of
> "compiler." Most of us would define "compiler" as "a piece of software that
> takes source code in and p
It still displays for me.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Ed Gould wrote:
> John,
>
> Apparently the article has been taken down as I get zippo (blank page) .
> Anyone have the full text?
>
> Ed
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2015, at 9:28 AM, John McKown wrote:
>
> sysadmins_former_boss_claims_five_years_fr
In
,
on 11/30/2015
at 11:44 PM, J O Skip Robinson said:
>When I was a novice sysprog, my shop had an Amdahl. MVS at that
>time predated 'system product'. (Way back.) IBM shipped a new
>level of MVS that executed instructions not present our Amdahl.
Are you sure that you aren't thinking of M
Or put it on a chip and let the hardware figure it out w/o regard to
bleepin PDSE libraries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-code_machine.
In a message dated 11/30/2015 6:42:49 P.M. Central Standard Time,
ibm-m...@tpg.com.au writes:
you'd *know* that all the latest mickey-mouse instruct
charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) writes:
> Now, in a sense, mainframes ARE getting faster. More cache. Higher
> real memory limits and for Z, dramatically lowered memory prices. That
> processor multi-threading thing. But especially, new instructions that
> are inherently faster than the old way of
> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 05:26:26 -0600
> From: elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za
> Subject: Re: Lrecl
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>
> Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>
> >I don't know how much of this is supported by COBOL except that coding BLOCK
> >CONTAINS 0 RECORDS allows SDB to operate. Omitting t
On Nov 30, 2015, at 5:44 PM, J O Skip Robinson wrote:
I'm reaching back a long way to stretch the notion of
'straightforward', but here goes. When I was a novice sysprog, my
shop had an Amdahl. MVS at that time predated 'system product'.
(Way back.) IBM shipped a new level of MVS that execu
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 16:05:43 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>But in order to take advantage of those new instructions, two things have to
>happen: (a.) IBM had to release a dramatically improved COBOL compiler (they
>did) and (b.) Mr. CIO has to recompile everything. But Mr. CIO has either lost
>
David, we had this same discussion back in May of 2014. Here is what I wrote
then:
The usual term for this is "source code escrow." A third party holds the
code with a contract that says that if the vendor goes out of business or
fails in some way then you get the source code. The third party ch
In early discussions of this facility at SHARE, several customers owned up to
the iffy practice of sharing load libraries across boundaries such that shared
PDSEs would be unworkable. This practice is fixable, of course, but a
considerable amount of work might be required in the application migr
On 15Nov30:1354-0600, Ed Gould wrote:
> On Nov 30, 2015, at 8:32 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:
>
> >Charles Mills wrote:
> >--SNIP
> >>Shipping the source is utterly out of the question,
> >
> >Of course, you have to be crazy if you
Here is the deal. Here is why the ABO. I am going to do this without reference
to materials, and some of the details are NDA anyway, but let me give this a
very general shot.
For years IBM was able to sell new boxes by saying "Mr. CIO, your batch window
is shrinking? No problem, buy our new mai
Yep, that exactly what I did and to any other clauses I didn't like the
look of.
The ambiguous ones were the first to go :)
On 30/11/15 21:44, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
> In <565c8a19.70...@gmail.com>, on 11/30/2015
>at 05:40 PM, Vince Coen said:
>
>> As for law well at least for the
Interesting. That makes sense. I've got a better method anyway, but you know
what IBM says now? I just happened to run into this a few minutes ago. (From
the Nov. 2012 PoOp)
Programming Note: Prior to the introduction of
z/Architecture, determination of the presence of a
facility was often accompl
Greetings Elardius
Using IE 11 and Win 7. I am going to just use IE rather than try to
figure this out on Chrome
I clicked HTTP 1.1 and the PROXY
Yes, all SSL and TLS checked.
If I can "give back" to this list that would be great. I often feel
that I get so much more than I contribute
I'm reaching back a long way to stretch the notion of 'straightforward', but
here goes. When I was a novice sysprog, my shop had an Amdahl. MVS at that time
predated 'system product'. (Way back.) IBM shipped a new level of MVS that
executed instructions not present our Amdahl. Amdahl responded b
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 22:43:37 +, Gibney, David Allen,Jr wrote:
>And it doesn't stick you with the requirement for the loadlib to be PDS/E...
;0)
I wonder if this hasn't been such an impediment to V5 take-up that it enabled a
business case to be built to release the ABO.
So, what could possibl
Me too! What I am fascinated by is the extension of the definition of
"compiler." Most of us would define "compiler" as "a piece of software that
takes source code in and produces object code out." I would call the ABO a
compiler that takes (old) object code in and produces (better) object code
out
You know you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
If I had started the question with "I am the principal developer for a
product that integrates z/OS with SIEMs" then I risk thread drift/hijacking
into "why would anyone want to do that?/what's a SIEM?/why would we care
what your product do
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And it doesn't stick you with the requirement for the loadlib to be PDS/E...
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John Eells wrote:
Charles Mills wrote:
If you are running *programs compiled with V3 or V4* (and are not in the
mood to recompile them on V5).
It is essentially an alternative to V5 (although I suspect IBM would
not be
happy with that statement).
It is of course an alternative to V5 (as is do
John,
Apparently the article has been taken down as I get zippo (blank page) .
Anyone have the full text?
Ed
On Nov 30, 2015, at 9:28 AM, John McKown wrote:
sysadmins_former_boss_claims_five_years_free_support_or_off_to_court/
---
Chis:
I understand NOW but that was not discussed in the open question.
Ed
On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Blaicher, Christopher Y. wrote:
Ed,
When you work on a product that can amount to a significant
percentage of the workload on a system, even micro-seconds count.
When I worked at a packag
Charles:
Then the issue *IS* correct and *IS* appropriate. I am suggesting
that if the discussion had started out with that understanding a lot
of electrons would have been saved.
Ed
On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
I would call it event-oriented. Millions of events per da
Charles Mills wrote:
If you are running *programs compiled with V3 or V4* (and are not in the
mood to recompile them on V5).
It is essentially an alternative to V5 (although I suspect IBM would not be
happy with that statement).
It is of course an alternative to V5 (as is doing nothing at all)
>>Is there any obscure lore about this machine
I was thinking about this specific machine. Each 729 has a no smoking
label in a different language, which is a bit unique. Perhaps someone
out there might drop a clue, like knowing a 1401 shop that had CE that
smoked five packs a day.
--
Will
-
How about compiling at all ARCHLEVELs, then letting the installation
pick which level to install. Have the install program issue a warning
if the current machine does not meet the ARCHLEVEL selected.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
> I would call it event-oriented. Millions
In
,
on 11/30/2015
at 12:43 PM, William Donzelli said:
>Is there any obscure lore about this machine
1. If you restore a 729, don't put your hand under the R/W head.
2. If you restore a 1403, don't print the line that maximizes the
hammer firing rate.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Met
In <565c8a19.70...@gmail.com>, on 11/30/2015
at 05:40 PM, Vince Coen said:
>As for law well at least for the UK but I suspect US as well - for
>most employment contracts does state that any design / inventions
>worked on while working for the 'company' belongs to the company
I've twice amende
John Mattson wrote:
>Finally solved this. It was part of the IE configuration.
Cool! What was your Internet Exploder (sic) version? Sorry that I ask, but if
you mentioned that, I probably missed that in this thread.
>Check in IE>Internet Options>Advanced
> that HTTP 1.1 and all of the SSL
Finally solved this. It was part of the IE configuration.
If you get the Login page missing the USERID: PASSWORD: boxes...
Check in IE>Internet Options>Advanced
that HTTP 1.1 and all of the SSL & TLS are checked
Check IE > Compatibility View Settings
That the HMC url is not in the list
Ed,
When you work on a product that can amount to a significant percentage of the
workload on a system, even micro-seconds count.
When I worked at a package delivery company, we looked at how to cut a
thousandth or a ten-thousandth of a second from a transaction. When you are
dealing with thing
I would call it event-oriented. Millions of events per day per LPAR at some
sites.
Customers pay "extra" so to speak for CPU savings because the alternative is
paying more to IBM and other vendors based on MSU peaks, and eventually a
hardware upgrade with the implied additional software costs. If
On Nov 30, 2015, at 8:32 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:
Charles Mills wrote:
--SNIP
Shipping the source is utterly out of the question,
Of course, you have to be crazy if you give away your bread and
butter source for all the g
Charles:
On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Charles Mills wrote:
Sorry. MSUs are *incredibly* important to some (most?) customers.
They are a
major buy/no-buy decider. I cannot ship z900 code and shrug my
shoulders
about performance on a z13. IBM (as an example) has come to realize
that
customer
On Nov 30, 2015, at 5:55 AM, Cannaerts, Jan wrote:
Agreed. Training companies are dying out like flies because of
costs and
companies are to cheap. Catch 22 - You want / need training, but
companies
need solid proven experience.
As a 22 year old (two years ago) I found that the "shotgun
In , on
11/30/2015
at 10:20 AM, "Cannaerts, Jan" said:
>[1] In a non-perfectly set up shop you can work on improving very
>basic things that don't require deep understanding of the systems
>you're working on.
Technically, yes. Politically, YMMV.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg a
OK, it is a long shot here, but hey, I get to help with restoring a
1401 system...
Is there any obscure lore about this machine with the no smoking tags
(zoom in on the picture of the 729s)? We can use any leads you guys
might dig up.
-
Will
We're looking to find someone who might recognize t
*WebSphere MQ 8.0.0.4 Trial for Linux for System x 86Series Multilingual*
WSMQ_8.0.0.4_TRIAL_LNX_SYS_Z_64_M.tar.gz (322 MB)
There are two "for System x 86" entries, this one's obviously for Linux on
System Z
--
Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of
www.well
Must be for American based contracts although (with IBM) never saw such
a thing.
Would have rejected it (or crossed such clauses out) before starting and
yes I did work for governments including the UK and US and also never
saw such a condition.
As for law well at least for the UK but I suspect U
didn't know that, thanks!
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In <1a619cdc-a055-40ec-9821-4337587d6...@copper.net>, on 11/29/2015
at 08:17 PM, Stevet said:
>This is why you have specialty routines that you load and if I
>remember correctly, IDENTIFY.
You don't need IDENTIFY unless you want to use system assisted linkage
to a name other then the name you
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...
“I got a letter through the door from my old company saying that my
contract meant that I was responsible for any issues and need to provide a
service for five years after I leave the
Charles Mills wrote:
>Sorry. MSUs are *incredibly* important to some (most?) customers. They are a
>major buy/no-buy decider.
Indeed. Other questions customers also asked to vendors (from what I know and
found out over the years):
- How easy is it to install? With SMP/E (increasingly importa
Sorry. MSUs are *incredibly* important to some (most?) customers. They are a
major buy/no-buy decider. I cannot ship z900 code and shrug my shoulders
about performance on a z13. IBM (as an example) has come to realize that
customers are not willing to run S/390 instruction set COBOL executables on
John McKown wrote:
>... Such as IAZYREG, ...
I believe it should be renamed to LazyRegs... ;-)
>Of course, my code is "weird" in that I cause HLASM to flag the instruction:
> LG R10,DOUBLE
>because, in my case, it should be:
> LG R10_64,DOUBLE
>And so on.
Interesting. That is a goo
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Bob Shannon
wrote:
> >For others not really familiar to assembler programs, in Kirk listing
> there is a line YREGS.
>
> >YREGS <-- That is a list of register value declarations/constants.
> You will have to provide your own list.
>
> YREGS is shipped in SYS1
Bob Shannon wrote:
>YREGS is shipped in SYS1.MACLIB. It only provides equates for GPRs.
Duh, yes, you're right of course.
Thanks for curing my blue Monday ignorance! Much appreciated.
And there is SYS1.MACLIB(IAZYREG), which includes both GPR and Access Registers.
Groete / Greetings
Elardus
>For others not really familiar to assembler programs, in Kirk listing there is
>a line YREGS.
>YREGS <-- That is a list of register value declarations/constants. You
will have to provide your own list.
YREGS is shipped in SYS1.MACLIB. It only provides equates for GPRs.
Bob Shannon
Rocket
> Agreed. Training companies are dying out like flies because of costs and
>companies are to cheap. Catch 22 - You want / need training, but companies
>need solid proven experience.
As a 22 year old (two years ago) I found that the "shotgun approach" worked.
Ask around until you find a company tha
Cannaerts, Jan wrote:
>>The problem is there is a lot of non-mainframe talents willing to work for
>>peanuts. Of course there is no single (common) definition of "peanuts" or
>>"talent".
>New mainframe talent requires training before they can be somewhat productive
>in a decently set up sho
>The problem is there is a lot of non-mainframe talents willing to work for
>peanuts.
>Of course there is no single (common) definition of "peanuts" or "talent".
New mainframe talent requires training before they can be somewhat productive
in a
decently set up shop[1]. This too costs money. So y
W dniu 2015-11-27 o 16:16, Bobbie Justice pisze:
There's not really a shortage of IBM mainframe talent.
There is a shortage of talent that is willing to work for peanuts.
The problem is there is a lot of non-mainframe talents willing to work
for peanuts.
Of course there is no single (common) d
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