Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

Well now be-careful Depends on what you mean by BDT There are (or were) two products called BDT. The first one was (20 or so) years ago a IUP/FDP called BDT (roughly $100 a month) Then there is a JES3 flavor of BDT (unknown cost). The FDP/IUP worked over NJE (JES2/3) and the VM part (so

Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

In <52b0cc69.8070...@bremultibank.com.pl>, on 12/17/2013 at 11:12 PM, "R.S." said: >BTW: Who's using BDT? JES3 users, unless IBM has finally fixed it so that it can do NJE without BDT. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

In <4ee2851a2279b94cb70cd69b17410609b7dfa...@s1flokydce2kx01.dm0001.info53.com>, on 12/17/2013 at 02:56 PM, "Jousma, David" said: >If you want to completely remove all traces, then use this. change >"yourfmid" to the FMID(s) you want to remove: What did he do to you? >APPLY REDO CHECK

Re: BDT and JES3 was Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

On 12/18/2013 5:12 PM, Clark Morris wrote: I wish I had thought of that back in the mid 1980s. The BDT requirement was the final straw pushing my shop from JES3 to JES2 (single CPU shop). My division was sold by a company that was predominantly JES3 to one that was predominantly JES2. In your

Re: BDT and JES3 was Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

On 12/18/2013 2:13 PM, Tony Harminc wrote: On 18 December 2013 14:02, Ed Jaffe wrote: Since JES2 comes included with the operating system for JES3 customers, I set up a dummy JES2 node called "FSNA" (aka "Free SNA," running as a secondary subsystem) and routed all SNA/NJE traffic through there

Re: BDT and JES3 was Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

On 18 Dec 2013 11:02:16 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >On 12/18/2013 10:10 AM, Mark Regan wrote: >> While it is needed to give JES3 NJE over SNA, it is not needed for NJE over >> TCPIP. Since my site has both flavors of JES, we were able to get rid of BDT >> by routing all of our ex

Re: BDT and JES3 was Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

On 18 December 2013 14:02, Ed Jaffe wrote: > Since JES2 comes included with the operating system for JES3 customers, I > set up a dummy JES2 node called "FSNA" (aka "Free SNA," running as a > secondary subsystem) and routed all SNA/NJE traffic through there. I'm not quite managing to imagine how

Re: BDT and JES3 was Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

On 12/18/2013 10:10 AM, Mark Regan wrote: While it is needed to give JES3 NJE over SNA, it is not needed for NJE over TCPIP. Since my site has both flavors of JES, we were able to get rid of BDT by routing all of our external business partner SNA/NJE connections through one of our JES2 SNA/NJE

Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

Also, when pulling maint don't fill up PTS quite as fast for unused FMIDs and associated HOLDDATA. Have to be careful, some products like BDT and DCF(Script) have other dependencies. Bookie will enable DCF even if it's not licensed to print the DOCs. In a message dated 12/18/2013 5:15:26

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  Thanks, Mark Regan <>< From: Clark Morris To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: BDT and JES3 was Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT On 17 Dec 2013 08:16:49 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-m

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On 12/18/2013 7:39 AM, Clark Morris wrote: Is BDT still needed for JES3 SNA NJE? Is it needed for JES3 TCP/IP if there is such a thing? No BDT features are used for NJE over TCP/IP. It is a common, JES-agnostic component (IAZ prefix). -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 83

Re: BDT and JES3 was Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

EJ's response hopefully does away vwith any need for such locutions as 'deinstall' and the more widely used (and offensive) Windows 'uninstall'. The antonyms 'enable' and 'disable' suffice here. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA ---

BDT and JES3 was Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

On 17 Dec 2013 08:16:49 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main Ed Jaffee wrote: Is BDT still needed for JES3 SNA NJE? Is it needed for JES3 TCP/IP if there is such a thing? Clark Morris >On 12/17/2013 6:30 AM, Miklos Szigetvari wrote: >> How would you "deinstall" (if it is the proper expression) softw

Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

> IBM would like to turn this symbolic money to real one. If I understand > correctly BDT has a symbolic price about 2000 $. Didn't know that. I might also happen to us. > Why delete a product ? The other reason why I might want to get rid of a product is DASD space, especially on an ADCD sys

Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

Hi Thank you for all the answers. Why delete a product ? We are business partner , and we got till now all for free, from the IBM, but every year got a list about how much we shouldn't have to pay. This list has contained the BDT and some other components (Book Manager Read and Book Manager

Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

On 12/17/2013 1:38 PM, Jon Perryman wrote: Never manually delete a product without going thru SMP/E. I'm not familiar with BDT so lets say you wanted to delete C/C++. To "uninstall" C/C++ under z/OS you would change the following in IFAPRDxx: PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP') NAME(Z/OS)

Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

W dniu 2013-12-17 22:43, craig.p...@fotlinc.com pisze: Why would you want to delete a product that comes as part of the base; for example, BDT and is either ENABLE or DISABLED via IFAPRDxx? Good point. There is working and IBM-blessed method for z/OS *FEATURES*, like RACF, dss, rmm, C/C++ or

Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

Why would you want to delete a product that comes as part of the base; for example, BDT and is either ENABLE or DISABLED via IFAPRDxx? Thanks, Craig From: Jon Perryman To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 12/17/2013 15:38 Subject:Re: "Deinstall" software, f

Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

Never manually delete a product without going thru SMP/E. I'm not familiar with BDT so lets say you wanted to delete C/C++. They are dependant upon LE. The next time an LE PTF has a COREQ for a C/C++ PTF, you will be screwed. Using SMP/E function delete is the only recommended method to delete a

Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

Not IBM approved, but method we did. 1. Notify users. 2. RACF datasets so no access, read by backup group. 3. Rename datasets (add .OLD). 4. Delete datasets and source of software. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 9:58 AM, R.S. wrote: > W dniu 2013-12-17 16:46, John Eells pisze: > >> USE CAUTION when unin

Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

Ed Jaffe wrote: On 12/17/2013 6:30 AM, Miklos Szigetvari wrote: How would you "deinstall" (if it is the proper expression) software, for example BDT (Bulk Data Transfer) ? Like all optional, priced-features of z/OS, BDT never needs to be "uninstalled." It should simply be disabled through IFAP

Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

On 12/17/2013 6:30 AM, Miklos Szigetvari wrote: How would you "deinstall" (if it is the proper expression) software, for example BDT (Bulk Data Transfer) ? Like all optional, priced-features of z/OS, BDT never needs to be "uninstalled." It should simply be disabled through IFAPRDxx. For exam

Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

W dniu 2013-12-17 16:46, John Eells pisze: USE CAUTION when uninstalling software with dummy function deletes. Make certain that there are no intersections that would cause problems after the product or products are removed. For example, if a product's MCS includes one or more VERSION statemen

Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

USE CAUTION when uninstalling software with dummy function deletes. Make certain that there are no intersections that would cause problems after the product or products are removed. For example, if a product's MCS includes one or more VERSION statements, it can replace some (potentially all) o

Re: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT

C YOURFMID) . /* // -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Skeldum, William Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: "Deinstall" software,

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List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Miklos Szigetvari Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT Hi How would you "deinstall" (if it is the proper expression) software, for exampl

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UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Miklos Szigetvari Sent: 17 December 2013 14:30 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: "Deinstall" software, for example BDT Hi How would you "deinstall" (if it is the proper expression) software, for example BDT (Bulk Data Transfer) ? -- Kind rega

"Deinstall" software, for example BDT

Hi How would you "deinstall" (if it is the proper expression) software, for example BDT (Bulk Data Transfer) ? -- Kind regards, / Mit freundlichen Grüßen Miklos Szigetvari Research& Development ISIS Papyrus Europe AG Alter Wienerweg 12, A-2344 Maria Enzersdorf, Austria T: +43(2236) 27551