On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 12:37:23 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote:
>
>> It would be a favor to customers if there were a standard system symbol
>> evaluating to nothing with a name as short as possible.
>>
>&NULL or &SYSNULL
>
Is that a suggestion? They seem not to exist on the system I usually use.
Regardle
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Paul Gilmartin
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> On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 08:38:58 -0400, John Eells wrote:
> It would be a favor to customers if there were a standard system symbol
> evaluating to nothing with a name as short as possible.
>
>
>> SNIP
>>
> Interesting. I have a friend who did essentially the same thing. With his
> boss watching. He got fired the next day for modifying production JCL
> without an approved change control request.
>
>
John,
Luckily we didn’
On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 10:16:03 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
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>Can one use a symbolic alias with DISP=NEW? That would answer a FAQ,
>"How can I create a DSN incorporating a timestamp?"
>
Apparently not.
I tried it with DISP=(MOD,CATLG).
It created the DSN on a storage pack with the alias na
On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 08:38:58 -0400, John Eells wrote:
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>> BTW, is there a form of LISTCAT that lists both ALIAS and RELATED names?
>Yes.
>
Feels like RTFM. Ah! I stumbled on ALL; GIYF.
In my (weak) defense, ALL does not appear in alphabetical order in
that manual; it's well concealed in a list
Paul Gilmartin wrote:
BTW, is there a form of LISTCAT that lists both ALIAS and RELATED names?
Yes.
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On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:04 PM, Edward Gould
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> > On Aug 30, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Charles Mills wrote:
> >
> >> Why do you want to do this?
> >
> > The JCL for a zillion jobs is essentially fixed and unchangeable without
> disrupting other things.
> >
> > Charles
>
> Charles,
>
> A long ti
On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 19:07:09 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote:
>Perhaps even better, and to satisfy Gil's requirement, define a system symbol,
>perhaps &NULL, with a substitution value that is null, and use that with
>SYMBOLICRELATE to SYS1.FOOBAR&NULL
>
>or some such. I suspect that you don't even hav
On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 23:04:17 -0500, Edward Gould wrote:
>> On Aug 30, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Charles Mills wrote:
>>
>> The JCL for a zillion jobs is essentially fixed and unchangeable without
>> disrupting other things.
>>
>IOW mass changes can be done if thought through carefully.
>
But that req
> On Aug 30, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Charles Mills wrote:
>
>> Why do you want to do this?
>
> The JCL for a zillion jobs is essentially fixed and unchangeable without
> disrupting other things.
>
> Charles
Charles,
A long time ago I had a problem like this, JES2 (and or the C/I) changed the
rul
On 2016-08-30, at 19:47, Anthony Thompson wrote:
> You can look forward to being neither surprised nor delighted.
>
OK. I'm neither. Thanks.
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>
> ... Somehow I don't trust IBM designers to have bee
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Does that restrict the length of related DSNs to 39 characters rather than 44
because a 5-character name is replaced by a 0
On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 19:07:09 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote:
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>Perhaps even better, and to satisfy Gil's requirement, define a system symbol,
>perhaps &NULL, with a substitution value that is null, and use that with
>SYMBOLICRELATE to SYS1.FOOBAR&NULL
>
Does that restrict the length of related DSNs
On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 16:14:54 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote:
>Define system symbol &FOOBAR to have a value of FOOBAR
>
>Define your alias with SYMBOLICRELATE to SYS1.&FOOBAR
Perhaps even better, and to satisfy Gil's requirement, define a system symbol,
perhaps &NULL, with a substitution value that i
;DEF ALIAS (NAME('OSRnn."dsn"') REL('"dsn"'))" ,
"CAT('MVSRnn.ICF.MASTER')"
.
.
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:34:59 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
>SYS1.FOOBAR is a dataset cataloged in the master catalog. It's not "real
>special" like SYS1.LINKLIB or anything. It's an SMP/E-managed IBM product
>library. I don't think it is APF-authorized. I think it is linklisted if
>that makes a diff
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Tom Marchant wrote:
A word of caution. If the real data set is subject to moving to a different
volume,
for example because of HSM migrate/recall, the second catalog entry will not be
updated when it is recalled. And of course, if the data set is on the IPL
volume,
you would catalog it to ***
U
Subject: (External):Re: Elementary dataset alias question
On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 10:17:54 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:09:45 -0400, John Eells wrote:
>
>>define nonvsam(name('sys1.deleteme.test') volumes(d83xl2) devt(3390))
>>catalog('CATALOG.
ot; digressions.
Charles
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 08:40:51 -0700
On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 08:40:51 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
>> Why do you want to do this?
>
>The JCL for a zillion jobs is essentially fixed and unchangeable without
>disrupting other things.
So the data set is not in LNKLST?
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:09:45 -0400, John Eells wrote:
>define nonvsam(name('sys1.deleteme.test') volumes(d83xl2) devt(3390))
>catalog('CATALOG.SVPLEX4.USERCAT') <== This one adds th
On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 10:17:54 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:09:45 -0400, John Eells wrote:
>
>>define nonvsam(name('sys1.deleteme.test') volumes(d83xl2) devt(3390))
>>catalog('CATALOG.SVPLEX4.USERCAT') <== This one adds the entry to the
>>user catalog my user ID's alias points
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Yes, you can do what you want.
But first, you have to understand the notion of "catalog orientation."
All searches start in
On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:09:45 -0400, John Eells wrote:
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>I mentioned an exception. When you use a system symbol in the
>related-to field specified by SYMBOLICRELATE, the system will *start
>over* at the master catalog, or "reorient the search to the master
>catalog." It will then look for entries
On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:09:45 -0400, John Eells wrote:
>define nonvsam(name('sys1.deleteme.test') volumes(d83xl2) devt(3390))
>catalog('CATALOG.SVPLEX4.USERCAT') <== This one adds the entry to the
>user catalog my user ID's alias points to.
>
>define alias(name('eells.deleteme.test') relate('sys1.
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
> I just want a batch job to be able to say //STEPLIB DD
> DISP=SHR,DSN=JOEBLOW.MY.FOO.BAR and have it load programs from SYS1.FOOBAR.
> Isn't that what aliases are for? I guess you are saying "aliases are not
> system-wide -- they are intr
Hah! You're confusing me with Terri M. and Steve B. ;-) But of course
you're quite welcome.
I recently wrote and gave a "Care and Feeding of Catalogs" class for our
newer folks that covers most of this (and more!), and I submitted it for
the next SHARE along with another session I can't talk
: Elementary dataset alias question
Yes, you can do what you want.
But first, you have to understand the notion of "catalog orientation."
All searches start in the master catalog. If catalog connector alias is
found (for example, "EELLS") pointing to a user catalog (such
Yes, you can do what you want.
But first, you have to understand the notion of "catalog orientation."
All searches start in the master catalog. If catalog connector alias is
found (for example, "EELLS") pointing to a user catalog (such as
"CATALOG.SVPLEX4.USERCAT"), then the search is redirec
> On Aug 29, 2016, at 6:14 PM, Steve Beaver wrote:
>
> Charles -- As an aside for you and maybe others.
>
> Most SYSPROGS will install a product that contains the VERSION/RELEASE
> level mostly to know what we have.
> Once we are done testing and over a weekend we will delete the COMMON name
>
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:41:00 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote:
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>You can also look at SYMBOLICRE
On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 16:27:38 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
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>Tell it when? A "batch JCL" time? Then yes, that largely negates the purpose.
>Or at "define the alias" time? Something like DEFINE ALIAS ...
>CATALOG(MASTER). That would be okay.
>
Well, not really. At execution, the job will seek JOE
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OK, confusion in my own post.
'OSR21.SYS1.LINKLIB' is an alias in mcat pointing to maintenance ucat
'OSR21.SYS1.LINKLIB' is also an alias in main
On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:41:00 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote:
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>You can also look at SYMBOLICRELATE
> DEFINE ALIAS (NAME(SYS1.FOOBAR) -
>SYMBOLICRELATE('JOEBLOW.FOOBAR'))
>
"SYMBOLICRELATE" can be abbreviated "SYM". I avoid using abbreviations
in a didactic context. I even say "ALLOCAT
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Oh
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Charles -- As an aside for you and maybe others.
Most SYSPROGS will install a product that contains the
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:34:59 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
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>Is it possible to create a catalog entry such that JOEBLOW.MY.FOO.BAR
>is an alias for SYS1.FOOBAR and batch DD references to
>JOEBL
Trying again to format properly.
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I tested with unexpected results.
1. Create a PO data set with name 'SYS
2016 3:35 PM
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> Subject: Elementary dataset alias question
>
> I'm a coder -- I barely know how to spell catalog -- but there are
> those of you on this list who have forgotten more about catalogs than I
will ever know.
>
> Here's the
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:34:59 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
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>Is it possible to create a catalog entry such that JOEBL
On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:34:59 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
>
>Is it possible to create a catalog entry such that JOEBLOW.MY.FOO.BAR is an
>alias for SYS1.FOOBAR and batch DD references to JOEBLOW.MY.FOO.BAR will
>actually allocate SYS1.FOOBAR?
>
No. Well, only if JOEBLOW and SYS1 identify the same
Thanks @Lizette. I will pass this on.
Charles
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Yes, you
3:35 PM
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> Subject: Elementary dataset alias question
>
> I'm a coder -- I barely know how to spell catalog -- but there are those of
> you on this list who have forgotten more about catalogs than I will ever know.
>
> Here's the question. (And like
I'm a coder -- I barely know how to spell catalog -- but there are those of
you on this list who have forgotten more about catalogs than I will ever
know.
Here's the question. (And like all these things, there is a long story
reason why doing things this way seems to make sense.)
SYS1.FOOBAR is a
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