Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-22 Thread Charles Mills
Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Triangle

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-22 Thread Mike Schwab
I subscribe via gmail.com webpage. I occasionally get bounces. It looks like the email takes two routes to the list server and the second is rejected as duplicate (the first gets posted). Possibility of NSA copy leaking to list server. On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 2:01 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-22 Thread Charles Mills
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Triangle Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 10:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-22 Thread David L. Craig
On 16Feb22:0100-0600, Darren Evans-Young wrote: > Define quality. "Conformance to requirements" --Harold S. Geneen -- May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ "So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-22 Thread Ed Gould
There have been more ads on here for one. Ed On Feb 22, 2016, at 1:00 AM, Darren Evans-Young wrote: Not sure how to take this comment... Define quality. Darren On Mon, 22 Feb 2016, Ed Gould wrote: Agreed, ever since Darren "retired" the quality of the list has declined. Ed On Feb 21, 2016

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-22 Thread Linda
I am posting this because of the timing. I am subscribed by email. As far as I know, I have not had anything bounce. I have recently started receiving posts marked BULK. About a fourth to a third are now marked that way, but they are still delivered. Not sure if it is related. For example,

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-22 Thread Gibney, David Allen,Jr
I would suggest gnore this comment. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Darren Evans-Young > Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 11:00 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBMMAIN bounces

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-22 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Charles Mills wrote: >1. Is anyone else getting occasional bounces when posting to IBMMAIN? I have >started getting them sometimes. A retry sometimes produces another bounce; >eventually the post goes through, obviously. How are you posting to IBM-MAIN? Via e-mail or via the IBM-MAIN webpage?

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-21 Thread Darren Evans-Young
Not sure how to take this comment... Define quality. Darren On Mon, 22 Feb 2016, Ed Gould wrote: >Agreed, ever since Darren "retired" the quality of the list has >declined. > > >Ed >On Feb 21, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Joel C. Ewing wrote: > >SNIP-

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-21 Thread David Crayford
On 22/02/2016 9:52 AM, Charles Mills wrote: Although I think now they have co-located their servers at Sonic or someone like that. Part of the reason, IIRC, is that their building is not real rain-tight, and it rains a lot here in the Emerald Triangle. Why is it called the Emerald Triangle? --

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-21 Thread Ed Gould
Agreed, ever since Darren "retired" the quality of the list has declined. Ed On Feb 21, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Joel C. Ewing wrote: SNIP- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / sig

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-21 Thread Charles Mills
d let me know if you see a problem. Thanks! Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Darren Evans-Young Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 5:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-21 Thread Darren Evans-Young
Let's not start inundating John Watters with emails about IBM-MAIN. I know John and worked with him my entire career at UA. He was my manager most of that time. I think the Helpdesk misrouted the problem to him. He has nothing to do with Listserv. I will contact him. Darren On Sun, 21 Feb 2016,

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-21 Thread Charles Mills
J. Woehr Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 5:13 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues Jack J. Woehr wrote: > I'm assuming it's the "too often" problem There are other problems, > e.g., intermittent misconfiguration of the request to ur

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-21 Thread Jack J. Woehr
Jack J. Woehr wrote: I'm assuming it's the "too often" problem There are other problems, e.g., intermittent misconfiguration of the request to uribl.com that could cause uribl.com to refuse the request. Another possibility ... I like this one ... is that your mail server is s-l-o-w to respond t

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-21 Thread Jack J. Woehr
Charles Mills wrote: I sent this once already but it seems to have disappeared entirely -- neither posted nor bounced. I halfway "get" DNS and SMTP and all that but I am not sufficiently an expert to debate with someone who thinks they are. Here is the server log supplied by my ISP for one of th

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-21 Thread Charles Mills
I halfway "get" DNS and SMTP and all that but I am not sufficiently an expert to debate with someone who thinks they are. Here is the server log supplied by my ISP for one of the bounces: Feb 20 10:51:42 mailfe qmail: 1455994302.150110 new msg 393337 (faf14e4e-d802-11e5-9c96-00505681fcd5) Feb 20 1

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-21 Thread Charles Mills
I sent this once already but it seems to have disappeared entirely -- neither posted nor bounced. I halfway "get" DNS and SMTP and all that but I am not sufficiently an expert to debate with someone who thinks they are. Here is the server log supplied by my ISP for one of the bounces: Feb 20 10:5

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-21 Thread Chris Hoelscher
age- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Jack J. Woehr > Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 7:55 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] IBMMAIN bounces and related issues > > Charles Mills wrote: > > Sev

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-21 Thread Jack J. Woehr
Charles Mills wrote: Seven greens and three yellows. I don't think it is a SPAM filter problem -- the server logs indicate it is a DNS problem. Apparently UA is using URIBL to scope you out and botching the job. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of ww

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-21 Thread Charles Mills
35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues > On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 11:42:58 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: > > >> >>1. Is anyone else getting occasional bounces when posting to IBMMAIN? Charles could test his outgoing server on http://www.all

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-21 Thread Jack J. Woehr
My mistake, it's more subtle than that. UA's reverse lookup of your address was blocked. "If an email you sent bounced, and included a link to this page, then it was rejected because the receiver has not implemented URIBL lookups correctly. URIBL uses bitmask responses to indicate a domain bein

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-21 Thread Jack J. Woehr
CM Poncelet wrote: These are the headers (starting from the bottom upwards), if it helps. X-Gwh-Spam-Flags: BAYES_00,FROM_LOCAL_HEX,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,URIBL_BLOCKED "URIBL_BLOCKED" Your server won't reply to a reverse DNS query so it's scoring high on the spam meter.

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-21 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 11:42:58 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: > >>1. Is anyone else getting occasional bounces when posting to IBMMAIN? Charles could test his outgoing server on http://www.allaboutspam.com/email-server-test/ -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a wa

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-21 Thread CM Poncelet
om: Tom Marchant <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Subject: Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues To: Precedence: list List-Help: <http://listserv.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?LIST=IBM-MAIN>, <mailto:lists...@listserv.ua.edu?body=INFO%20IBM-MAIN> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ibm-mai

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-21 Thread Joel C. Ewing
That makes it difficult to get support if some people at UA don't think we exist. Obviously other group members are not having this message bounce problem, which would seem to point to something unique in either Charles' Email (that Email filters might misinterpret?) or in the mail interface betwe

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-21 Thread Tom Marchant
Maybe if a few of us forward this post to Mr. Waters he will realize that the list is still active. Then again, maybe he'll make sure that it is shut down. On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 11:42:58 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: >1. Is anyone else getting occasional bounces when posting to IBMMAIN? I have >sta

IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

2016-02-21 Thread Charles Mills
1. Is anyone else getting occasional bounces when posting to IBMMAIN? I have started getting them sometimes. A retry sometimes produces another bounce; eventually the post goes through, obviously. 2. I am on a small rural ISP. They do not have a roomful of high-powered engineers. They recently cha